Thank you for research and excellent commentaries. I could never imagine how drinking one's own urine could be healthy. The body has removed it as a waste product of metabolism.
Feces is a waste product, not urine. Urine is liquid nutrition that is too much for your body to absorb at that time. It is like a storage tank, of nutrition, hormones, and stem cells, that you can choose to recycle or throw it away. Free will and all.
One of The smoking guns that if you drink urine you survive longer?
Remember, there’s no control for humans studies so you don’t have the 2.0 version of yourself that didn’t drink urine and survived the same or would have longer or better. And there are plenty of studies showing drinking urine. When dehydrated will further dehydrate you. You just have to open your eyes and mind to be able to see
So it is a myth that you survive stranded at sea or in a desert without water if you drink your own urine. And think about that for a moment; the body is in a state of dehydration yet it is so important to filter the blood it will actually make urine at a risk of further dehydration or death because without filtering you will die-drinking urine increases dehydration significantly which I discussed at length and both of my articles going over the pathophysiology of this.
You can look up dry fasting as there are people who drive fast without water or food for very long periods of time without dying. I don’t recommend this, but there’s your control studies of people who have survived a month or more without water. The medical industrial complex will tell you you can’t survive more than three days without water. One more lie they tell you about how your body operates
What is the point you ask? The same point for everything that we discuss in this class you are being tricked into SLOWLY poisoning yourself because you’re easier to rule and worth more money when you’re sick weak and dependent (and taking out the people in your family, who have to take care of you full-time which I see firsthand on a daily basis ) on the system and nothing makes them happier than if you have end stage renal failure, yes drinking urine over the years will damage your kidneys. They love it because you don’t know your experiencing damage until you get to the point of no return when you’re numbered kidney disease eg. Stage 1-4 until the final- you’re on dialysis for the rest of your life and if you quit, you can read my second article for the smoking gun of why drinking urine is especially damaging
Why do I speak out when I just get SO MANY angry comments or people cheerleading to their own demise? Because I see the playbook they use It is the same playbook for every harmful substance and how they promote it by writing a goofy book that sings the praises and tells you how it cured autism and all these horrible diseases so you think it is the next new shiny object the miracle care because how could anyone profit from this They want you cradle to grave in the system and you can’t get into the system if you’re not actively poisoning yourself
And my friend agent 13 1711 on Substack pointed out it is a humiliation ritual that the freemasons love like coffee enemas are a humiliation ritual that damages your flora and fauna and your colon excessively worse than antibiotics ever could
Of course, this is all in the playbook that I’m writing. Once you see it you’ll never be tricked into poisoning yourself again and damaging. Your kidneys is especially upsetting to me as a home health hospice nurse taking care of patients who have gone home on stage renal failure without dialysis and watching them slowly drown in their fluids. You may want to read my two articles if you still think drinking wastewater could be beneficial.
And stay tuned for part three where I go over the actual benefits of urine using the blueprint from mother nature, and as always God’s medicine only you can’t hack it as there are miracle cures-I take away peoples binky, their security blanket, and delusion that there is the new improved miracle cure that will keep them healthy when there is no external inside 100%
By the way, if you want to brush up on your logical fallacies the book making a case for drinking urine uses almost every one and it’s fun to point them out like for example, ancient cultures drank urine and still use it today as a medicinal so that must mean it’s Good for you to drink like there’s certain tribes that still practice cannibalism so?
Do us all a favor, Medicine Girl. Perform the test on yourself like Hahnemann did for Homeopathy. Share with us your results after one year. You’ll have more credence having done the experiment yourself rather spout other people’s theories. In the meantime, your arguments hold no water, so to speak. Haha! By the way, does this say anything to you?
“Morarji Desai served as the Prime Minister of India from 1977 to 1979, becoming the first non-Congress leader to hold the office. He was known for his unique practice of “Shivambu,” or urine therapy, which he believed had health benefits. Desai attributed his longevity to this practice, drinking his own urine daily for much of his life. He lived to be 99 years old and often spoke about the benefits of urine therapy during his tenure as Prime Minister.”
Heh heh, nimbly said, Nimble. People just refuse to try stuff on themselves. They'd rather get info from the internet from "experts." I tried topical applications of the good stuff and healed skin cancer. People would rather win an argument than get healthy. I'm not much of a drinker. I'm more of a topical sort. But it works. People in the comments just keep saying the same thing over and over: "but if the body got rid of it..." It's as far as their curiosity can go. Any farther and there are dragons they're afraid of. It's all pretty hilarious.
Nimble, how would Medicine Girl be doing you a favor? She just finished telling you how wrong and disgusting that 'ancient practice' of drinking the bodies own wastewater really is. Why don't you do us all the favor?
My grandmother lived to be 101 and she never drank her own urine.
"Shivambu", really? Yeah, no. Is that mystical far east alleged practice supposed to make drinking your own urine alluring somehow? I suspect that the so-called "Prime Minister" you mentioned was a Freemason or Jesuit and his bad habit was nothing more than Kabuki Theatre.
You couldn't even be bothered to read the medicine girl's comment before you had a go at me about it. Which by itself is hilarious. Also hilarious is even after I quoted back to the m-girl, hours ago, her own unintentionally hilarious words, she had no shame in leaving the words up. It'll be the end of the year in a few hours and she thinks nothing of leaving a barely legible comment hanging there, apparently to start the new year with. So many levels of funny. As I've said in many of my other comments scattered all over the place here, I'm just a stand-up comedian and I'm just here for the jokes. It's like there's a whole nest of people who can't read, but they think they're in a good position to make fun of the ancient traditions of other people. I got a bunch of jokes just out of this comments section today. Racists nowadays usually hide better, but you seem pretty comfortable with being open and up front about it. Well, I've had enough. Enjoy your new year. I'm sure you'll be able to find lots more traditional people to make fun of.
Your reply speaks volumes to the veracity of my claim that you and your bretheren are trolls or chatbot trolls. Thank you very much for the opportunity to out you to the SS community reading this article.
Until you read those three reference books, I provided links to them. Which answer the question of urine being a waste of product, I will hold my response. You have earned my respect, and I am encouraging you to reconsider based on strong evidence. We can be correct on 9 things and wrong on the 10th. I have changed my view on viruses, vitamins, bread and more. Ad homonyms are not helpful in respectful debate. With respect, I encourage you to take a pause and consider those books. If you are still unconvinced, then so be it.
"Dr." Thor, really? What does that even mean? How does your comment contribute to the overall understanding of the topic in question? Please do elaborate.
How should I know what "drive fast" means? Didn't you see the quotation marks in my comment? I was just copying a hilarious typo that the medicine girl made in her haste to say mean things about people who have different traditions.
This author is so off base! I really don’t know how she can name herself Medicine Girl. It should be more like Propaganda Person. I won’t even bother taking her argument down point by point. I won’t waste my time. But if anyone wants to research why she’s wrong further, the book “Your Own Perfect Medicine” by Martha Christy, “The Golden Fountain” by Coen van der Kroon, “The Water of Life” by JW Armstrong and so many more. For a quick online read, https://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/UT/Urine
Yes, she's pretty shrill. As a comedian, I'm mostly here to skim for bloopers and assorted comedy. Did you catch her dry fasting/drive fast blooper? Pure gold.
She doesn't have much humility for someone who on her own admission only recently discovered that vitamin D is rat poison. She makes the leap from someone sipping a bit of pee to renal failure pretty quickly. Yes, renal failure sucks...and how's that related to the occasional sip of pee? I taste a bit of pee now and then for informational purposes (I love the idea that doing normal mammal things makes me a victim of a freemason conspiracy!) but I have no opinion about whether chugging pee is good for a person. Nevertheless I can tell when people in comments are groupthinking and attempting to stifle interaction. I remain curious about pee, but having a big chug doesn't seem like much of a big deal either way. Compared to sea water, pee is very dilute and not strong. Right now I'm researching sea salt and whether I can overdose on that, so pee will have to take a back seat.
This is quite a topic to navigate. When I learned urine contained stem cells and my 64 yo knees were complaining I decided to give it a try. My knees have improved dramatically with about a one cup daily dose every morning. I realize this is anecdotal but stem cell therapy is expensive. MW’s tone is quite patronizing - I didn’t watch her videos or read the whole thing but I appreciate the levity of your comments.
Thank you for your input. Anecdotal is evidence; when 100 people have the same experience, that is strong evidence. The Water of Life book explains what has worked to heal people, and Armstrong put his ego aside and said he did not know why it worked for sure, just that it worked. THIS IS SO PROFOUND TODAY. When you explain your situation, such as I have, others can follow our lead if they choose and achieve positive health results. Or they can choose not to. What is amazing to me is that my positive health outcome requires no one else's belief, not even mine; it either works or it does not. When it works on animals, we know it is not a placebo effect because you cannot brainwash a horse in this way. Most people do not know antivenom comes from horses' urine, which has been injected by snake venom. Most arguing against urine therapy have no idea of the mountain of scientifically provable tests that have been done to prove the efficacy of urine rubs, ingestion and injections, and they have never done it to disprove it. Bless you for having courage to speak to the issue.
This is a good example of the Method of Trolls, Revealed. Thank you "Dr." Thor. Yeah, you are a comedian, because I'm laughing my ass off at how stupid you and your cohorts are. So you admit "Vitamin D" is rat poision? At least you have a microgram of a brain, but not much more. Troll.
The reason I was somewhat strong is because she delightedly condemned DMSO in one of her articles which might prevent some of her readers from researching it further. Like any substance, too much can be a poison but just the right amount can be a medicine. DMSO properly administered has been miraculous in pain relief alone. So once I saw that she took a radical approach to DMSO and the same “bull in a China shop” approach to Shivambu/Urine Therapy I’d had my fill. Thank you cheer your wise words, Sober Christian Gentleman!
Thank you. We each have to be convinced by strong evidence and sound arguments to be encouraged to do or not do something. Free will has consequences. We try to choose wisely, but when we are incorrect, we can correct ourselves to be a better version of ourselves. I am choosing all the time, constantly adjusting my trajectory toward my best self. I do not always get it correct the first time, but we adjust and try again. That is a conscious life worth living, I think.
Really, Sober Christian Gentleman? Are you and Nimble Navigator tag-teaming Medicine Girl? Must we be convinced? The truth is revealed by the facts my friend. A voluntaryist lifestyle is a life worth living.
Stay away from DMSO. Sure it might cure pain, but what else is it doing? What are the side effects? What are the unknown implications/ramifications? DMSO is on my avoid list, thank you very much.
It adds a comical layer that she appropriates an ancestral position of a medicine person and then mocks ancestral wisdom, even using the word "cannibals." You can't make this stuff up. She's so bizarre I can't help wondering if she's what we used to call an agent provocateur. She's just kind of collected a nutbase of fastidious people who are so persnickity they find pee to be indelicate. Hey, as a comedian, at least I admit I'm a bit nutty.
Martha's book is a science-centric guide to urine therapy, eviscerating the idea of urine being a waste product. Please note: I do not agree with injecting urine, because we naturally absorb it through skin and digestion. Excellent read.
Medicine Girl has done some great work, and I highly respect her; this topic was a landmine that could have been avoided, and insulting UT people is not a good way to tiptoe into a topic. Ad hominums are not helpful in either direction. I am thankful she opened up the topic and believe she will find her way. This post may have shook the UT Tree and connected a bunch if us, lol. .... I recommended Martha's book and two others below. Thank you for your input.
Sober, you're too nice. But I respect you. I'm agnostic on pee drinking but it's obvious that you are being very patient whereas this Medicine lady is angry about something and can't slow down long enough to engage you. She's probably afraid of you and the way you remain unflappable. She's got some hilarious typos which she'll probably only change after she reads my comment here. I keep putting comments here and there asking people to compare the average comment here (they vary from shrill to complacent--the complacent and incurious ones are possibly the worst) with your measured responses. I wasn't that into the idea of drinking pee but her behavior is encouraging me to maybe start having a chug to see what all the fuss is about. And why is she going after such a tiny segment of the population? Are pee drinkers some big threat? Are they the new WEF?
I'm mostly here for the comedy. She writes like a child, but not in a good way. An occasional typo is no biggie but when people can't be bothered to make some attempt to check for typos, it's a form of contempt for their reader. They're basically saying, "I couldn't be bothered to read this, but I expect you to do so." Not being able to read oneself is part of a larger psychological problem of not being able to read others, whether it's their words or their face or their energy. She'll probably correct her typos if she reads my comment, so I'll note one of her funnier ones: "You can look up dry fasting as there are people who drive fast without water or food for very long periods of time without dying."
Yes, I'm not a big pee person but I've learned lots in the comments, Sober. I've copied out your bibliography and I'll copy out the one from...let's see...Nimble, for future research. I feel sorry for this Medicine lady. Surely if she looks back on her comments a few years from now she's going to be embarrassed. People sure do get paranoid at a little pee. --david
As for you "Dr" Thor, thank God you're here too! I was born for this. Ad hominem attacks is all you got? Oh wait, false accusations too? And now you have a problem if MG corrects her omission or oversight. Fuck you and the horse your rode in on troll. It's a 3-way troll tag-team here folks. "Dr." David Thor, A Sober Christian Gentleman, and Nimble Navigator. I eat trolls for breakfast.
Sober Christian Gentleman, thank God you don't inject your own urine. I was concerned for a minute. I am sure God approves of you drinking your own urine and advocating for it. Are you a preacher?
Tiptoe? I think MG stomped into the topic and is going out in a blaze of glory. Whew! I'm glad your thankful for MG, and I think her post did shake your UT tree. That's why you're here guns a blazin' with your cohort Nimble Navigator. I call that the troll one-two punch.
Nimble, thanks for sparing us and not wasting our time. And thanks for the book titles and link. This is a call to Agent for a deep dive on who was Martha Christy. Excerpts from the site: Copied for educational purposes only.
"Urine can be compared to the leftovers from a meal". The site presents anecdotal (hearsay) testimonials.
"The main theory is that it helps build immunity to disease, much like a vaccination". Uh, sorry, premise fails.
"Tom Brokaw, NBC Nightly News, October 16, 1992:". Uh, sorry, premise fails. Richard E. Sprauge, The Taking of America 1-2-3, tells us MSM is compromised.
Hmm, let's see if she deals with stem cells. Let's see if she deals with the metabolic costs of storage and why something could be not worth the storage costs to the body but still be a fairly good compound.
Stem cells are a real enigma that Mexican medical locations charge big money to harvest and sell back to you. They say it is more human than harvesting dead aborted babies. They have a point. But missed that you can loop your own stem cells for free. People even grow their hair back on their head by rubbing fresh morning pee there.
Nice. I may not be a big drinker, but I apply liberally in a topical way. I figure if it’s on the outside, the body can decide if it wants to take it back in. How can I say this without admitting to anything on line…I have a pretty good growth of hair topside. By late February I start getting enough sunlight topside and it all turns from white to blond. I rinse before meeting people, but I have my little joke topside.
In Indonesia forty years ago, we would whip it out and all pee on someone who got jellyfish stings. Sometimes we would just whip it out and pee on someone to be funny, too.
Now that you mention it, I too put it on poison ivy. I also harvest my own jewelweed and use that for poison ivy. Also now that you mention it, it doesn't smell that I can tell, and you're right it's more true after a bit. I figured that's cuz it dried, but getting rid of ammonia is another way to say it's drying, I guess. People will probably say I just can't smell my own pee, but I can sure smell my own armpits, so I suspect that it really doesn't smell.
Man, you guys just can't give up the ghost can you now? Just appear out of nowhere to troll MG. I would say Medicine Girl is on target and she is stomping on your head. Trolls coming out of the woodwork folks.
Wait, how do the Mexicans harvest? From your own pee? If so, that’s hilarious. If not, it’s still funny, because you could just drink your own for free.
By the way, here’s what I just posted at my own Substack:
Let’s see if I can drop my subscribers back under 200.
People are grossed out in Western countries because science says human pee is excrement. It’s like viruses and germs and dirty hands and muddy feet in the entranceway of a bourgeois house—it’s scary. We should be afraid of sniffing it let alone ever taking a taste whereas all normal mammals understand that the medium is information-rich, and many traditional cultures understand that this stuff has a wide variety of uses on the outside of the body and even under certain circumstances can be taken orally.
Westerners like to pretend that during our most formative phase, in the amniotic sac, we weren’t peeing straight into our own drinking water. Basically peeing right into our mouths. They also like to say that big-hydraulic female orgasm isn’t a lovely sort of pee. And they don’t want to think how close pee and sweat are. I love lady sweat myself.
People can’t handle getting this close to their own mammalian reality so they’re desperate for distance. Otherwise we’re not civilized. They like to say that amniotic fluid isn’t actually urine. Hmm, it’s a fine line. If you’re sitting in a restaurant with a nearly full glass of coke and I whip it out and top you up, you can say that that cup is coke and not pee. But at that point, it’s pee. You’re not going to drink it for the coke, you’re going to not drink it for the pee. It’s pee. When you decide to not drink it, you’ve made the decision that it’s pee, not coke. Apply concept to amniotic squirt-fest as needed.
No! That's hilarious. Revenge against the gringos! Man, I'd like to get into that business. Olah, senior, quieres una "cerveza"? Hello sir, would you like a beer?
Does anyone believe they actually bother to find the stem cells and separate them? They prolly just dry a bunch of it out and there's your stem cells, which is technically true.
[Dave starts his own cartel] [Seriously my brother lives in Brownsville, Texas, right near the border. I can see the comic potential here.]
By the way, reading through some of the comments here, I'm struck by how seriously people take themselves. They seriously say all kinds of mean things about Asians and Jesuits. I mean we're talking pee. I healed myself of skin cancer with it. These people need to lighten up. They're all angry and righteous. If they don't want to drink pee, don't, but they don't need to make fun of traditional peoples around the world.
That is what it is: pre-digested, fully processed nutrients that were too much to uptake at the time it was diverted to the holding tank called our blatter. Simple.
Only nutrients were discarded from the bladder because they weren't needed? What about any toxins that the kidneys filtered out which the body knew could be harmful? I'm not a scientist who has studied all the ingredients in human or animal urine. Just curious.
The USA Department of Defence has studied urine, and with unlimited funding, they simply ran out of tests. Millions of compounds are in the urine. Our body is our chemistry set, making compounds, hormones, proteins, human growth hormones, stem cells, and so much more. The false belief, by misleading scientists, claims knowing how our body works is the first step in missing out on health. All their concepts are based on providing a deficient chemical. Our body has many chemicals; it is the balance that is the key to full health. 99% of science is a fraud. Check out the work of Dr. Tom Cowan to get back to first principles. I bet you believe your heart is a pump that pumps your blood; I used to believe that too.
I follow Dr. Cowan. I read his book on the heart. Fascinating! I believe we are fearfully and wonderfully made by our Creator. Although we try to understand how our bodies "work" we will keep on discovering new things, correcting old assumptions/science and then forming new explanations as long as we remain in this realm.
Yeah, you should be sorry. Don't you have anything better to do than troll. It's painfully obvious to me that you are a paid operative for the clandestine services or their contractors. You're fired.
Whoever told you this, lied to you, urine is mostly water, ammonia, urea, and some broken red blood cells, dead cell material, and other garbage, it is completely a waste product, and this is just basic biology 101.
We are made amazingly. We are tough, detoxing, self-correcting and anti-fragile. We do not come with an owner's manual, so we have to remember how the equipment works. Having the choice to loop our Urine and recycle our nutrient tea is evidence of the hand of the creator. Intelligent design.
So, this is weird. Is it possible to hack someone's profile and make comments under it? "Having us urinate. To drink your own waste means you think know better than the Creator." I did not post that comment. I was going to post this about urine use in homeopathy. I have several homeopathic Materia Medica's which have "Urina Humana" in them. Robin Murphy's has clinical uses for using it in a diluted tincture and in potency. Here is one describing its uses and symptoms it can produce, https://www.materiamedica.info/en/materia-medica/john-henry-clarke/urea
I have a whole podcast series on URINE THERAPY. I read passages from books and comment on them. I have been drinking my urine for 3 years now and have alleviated major health issues because of the treatment. I am growing in my wisdom teeth without issue after almost dying from an abscess. Most people's problems come from refusing to stop poisoning themselves with medication, skin crap and toxic food. Our bodies are detoxing, self-correcting and antifragile. Most of the misunderstandings about Urine Therapy come from the retarded scientist who keeps misleading people, who keep believing the 'Science.'
I respect your point of view because of your previous work, but you are wrong on this one.
Most of our belief in how our organs work is simply wrong.
If I am wrong, I will change my view, until then.... I am not convinced by your presentation. Multiple points you made have alternative explanations. With respect.
Remember, you don’t have a control there’s not a another version of you who does not do the urine therapy to see if you would have healed on your own
I have been observing in myself and those I work with when nothing is done, healing occurs usually right around the time a treatment or remedy would’ve been used, and most people then would attribute the healing to the external rather than their body healing itself as it would have anyway.
1) the premise that urine is a "waste" product is false.
2) the source of the premise has a vested interest in lying to us. They are the same group that claim:
a) cancer is a mystery that only has three treatments, chemo, radiation and surgery
b)Viruses are real, and the only solution is vaccination based upon the convenient lie called an immune system.
c) your body is chemically deficient, but they have the chemicals you need to be topped up.
The evidence to the contrary is conveniently provided in three books:
1) The Water of Life
2) The Golden Fountain
3) Your Own Perfect Medicine
Read them in that order. If, after reading all three, which provide a mountain of scientifically reproducible evidence, of what Urine actually is, you are still unpersuaded, then o.k.
We can be correct on one thing, and incorrect on something else. I used to believe in vitamins until you and Agent131711 convinced me otherwise. I used to believe in viruses until I was convinced otherwise. I am open to debate.
Here are the links to the pdf books above:
A Treatise on Urine Therapy JOHN W. ARMSTRONG
It is simply written, when when things were more simple, he does not claim to know why things work, just practical experience on how it worked for him, how to do it, with his experience, over years of treating people with urine therapy. Here is the book link:
Since Agent131711 and Medicine Girl presented their argument and evidence about synthetic vitamins, I have taken none and do not recommend them to anyone.
A year ago, I recorded a 6-part series of Vancer reversals with 18 options for improvement. Some vitamins were recommended; you might be interested. I posted part 6 today on Substack.
When I want vitamin D, I get Sunshine.
Because I am a Urine Therapy Looper, I efficiently reuptake vitamins and minerals from food, so taking more seems like more than I need.
I reduce sugar, lectins and oxalates in my Organic-only diet.
I recommended Vitamine C before, but if you need an electron donor aspect for health, a strong magnet nearby will do.
We are made amazingly. We are tough, detoxing, self-correcting and anti-fragile. We do not come with an owner's manual, so we have to remember how the equipment works. Free will allows us to screw it all up, but if we are aware enough, in time, we can unscrew ourselves. Return to full health, vitality and clarity. This is true whether someone believes in God or not. It is a truism.
Yeah I don't buy Medicine Girl's overall thesis if it's that the body has done complicated things to divert an excess of something outside the body and therefore it's crap. Salt is excreted and that's good stuff, just not necessarily worth storing. Everything comes at a cost, and storage is a cost.
There's a lot of little stuff in pee and I'm guessing that at the least its topical application by humans on the feet for thousands of years, well, science might catch up on that and many other traditional things science can't yet catch up to.
My best guess is that crap is crap. Fecal matter is crap, in other words. A waste product, although even there I've seen what dogs and coyotes eat and it's possible that when it comes to crap a change is as good as a rest. Eating another dog's shit on a rare occasion could offer benefits, and dogs can smell well. And dogs love rabbit poo.
But anyway, pee seems pretty benign. I think Medicine Girl counts a lot for likes here on Western fastidiousness as a proxy for natural repugnance.
I licked urinals in public places during 2021 and 2022 and proved there was never any pandemic nor any other contagion. People sure do go quiet when they discover that one person did the most important contagion research in a century. Yes, I happen to also be a comedian, but it doesn't invalidate my research. People just don't want to know things.
I healed a big black growth on the side of my forehead, its rough jagged shape suggesting skin cancer, by topical application of pee. Obviously our skin is designed to withstand longterm soaking in pee, so the process is neutral unless it has up sides. And apparently it does have up sides.
I may or may not confess here in the state diary, that I may or may not take a sip or two in the morning--there's a long history of people doing that (drinking the morning excrescence), people who were never, like moderns, fooled into thinking rat poison was vitamin D. So I respect the ancient wisdom somewhat. Still, the body certainly does seem to be getting rid of the large volume of pee, so I don't drink large volumes. This lady doesn't seem like she's too open to interaction, but I would say that she might want to try having a sip or two of seawater, or even bringing a tablespoon of tap water up to sea-salt strength, and she would understand something about potency. Salt water is very difficult to drink, even though we are mostly salt water ourselves. Compared to a potent brew like that, pee tastes inconsequential. I'm guessing a little goes a long way.
I have faith that if Medicine Girl considers the evidence in the books I recommended, she may change her premise and conclusions. I greatly respect the research she has done regarding vitamins and thank her for it. We grow up in the prison/prism of allopathic medicine, and it is difficult to break from that brainwashing. I have change my view publicly, repeatedly as the evidence leads ( my podcast reveals / chronicals my errors lol) . We all are learning every day. Thank you for your input.
I do not have anything for you regarding vitamins. I eat healthy, which means my body processes all the vitamins I need from food. I loop my urine from the sun up to 5 pm, which means I reuptake everything I need. Super efficient. Then fast from 5 pm till sun up.
She bashes vitamins without doing the real research. To this day no experiment has shown vitamin D with its cofactors in balance levels to cause illness.
Pee's not a big deal one way or the other for me. I found your comments helpful and various. I thought "spam" was some kind of repetition of the same thing. Anyway, I'm low energy on it all, but not afraid of a little pee.
Thank you, David. My definition of spam is the same. People can be triggered by the word and want to report to the authorities like good children reporting to their parents. I always address that charge early before the ban hammer drops without due cause. I provided a reading list below if you're interested in digging deeper. Best wishes.
You offered a wide range of intelligent comments in this comments basement. That spam guy is funny. "I get your point." Which one? I think some people have a great deal of trouble dealing with more than one idea per day. People's inability to answer your comments is a big mark against this lady. Your comments just sit here mostly unanswered. A silent rebuke. You say she was great with vitamins. Well, her life was on the line, if memory serves. But in this case she just wants to look good in front of other humans. She wants to win some argument she made up in her head. At least five hours have gone by since I said I healed skin cancer on my face and she couldn't be bothered to respond. Now if it was skin cancer on HER face I bet she'd be way more interested. I'm not even a big pro-pee enthusiast, but I can see when people are groupthinking and trying to shut out truth. Anyway, your comments will sit here and who knows what might yet happen. --david
Great articles! I notice a lot of people who comment an any thread are usually either in full agreement or in direct opposition to the information. Like everything on the web, people's minds are hypnotized and polarized by information. I don't enjoy the practice of labelling people or casting judgement, which I see everywhere these days. There are oodles of practices, things people believe in, things they eat or drink or smoke, things they do, that are much crazier and more harmful than drinking pee-pee. People line up to be vaxxed, drink alcohol, smoke things, engage in warfare, abuse family members. People actually drink 'Coke'. I started using urine therapy (drinking piss) to try and help treat a few different conditions, it seemed to help, but nothing definite. After reading your post, I've decided t quit the practise and see how I feel, I will do the photo in natural light and then do one 10 weeks later, note any difference. I think that the reason I tried UT was the same reason I tried any of the other new agey fad supplement super food scams; I didn't feel well, had a sickness mindset, was programmed for sickness and was the type of hypochondriac person who gravitates to 'miracle cures' ie: MMS, coffee enemas, DMSO, vitamins, etc. (tried them all). It all starts with pharmaceutical meds prescribed by doctors after they mesmerize you with the 'illness' trance; 'here sick idiot, take this poison'... 'ok... (drool)'. Then along comes the vitamin revolution, then the superfood, then the bio-hacking. What next? Sure, drinking pee is odd, but there are weirder things.
I’ll do a article on the hoax of the stem cells occurring in your urine and how easy it is to convince people of stem cells so that they actively poison themselves with either urine or other things that allegedly produce stem cells
Started using it on garden in '22, when toilets broken. Used it exclusively this season '24. First time ever: no cabbage worms, no leaf miners (until September). Tomatoes were exceptionally aromatic, but that could be function of weather. More seasons entered in garden notebook will offer more data.
Urea from urine is fertilizer; the chemical is Ammonia + carbon dioxide; it is literal plant food. The rest of the nutrients are bonuses. Plus, any bacteria that comes along for the ride from the unsterile container liven up the soil with life. Win-win. There is evidence that the more time you spend in your garden, the more the bacteria in the garden reflect your body's bacteria culture, and it produces food more tailored to you. Awesome stuff we forgot.
Rich Earth Institute, Brattleboro Vt. was my info. source.
Last spring when time to give fruit trees first fertilization dose, lacked quantity, as had ceased to save it during winter. Learned the lesson. Calculate will need 112.5 gal by early March, so now collecting it in 2 55-gal. barrels. I suspect the other nutrients are not "bonus" at all but the micro nutrients. Consider S being 4th most important after N,P,K-- short in NE, Midwest soils, esp. since scrubbing of smokestacks ~1970's.
You might like my podcast series on Urine Therapy; it explains a lot from a holistic no nonsense perspective. I am not trying to get you on board; if you're already interested in the subject, your data point level will go through the roof. False science is our problem instead of true science. Our false assumptions based on lying scientists who were working for big (p)harma is the source issue. "Water of Life" was written by a guy who helped people every day and did not try to explain why it worked, just what worked over and over again. That was the genius of his book: no ego, just solutions based on his clinical observations.
Anyway, the amniotic sac is basically urine, so I'm sticking with traditional ways that suggest a bit of a morning sip and otherwise topical applications, especially on the heels where one pees when naturally squatting. I healed skin cancer on my forehead. If you're actually curious, test pee on one limb and use the other as a control.
I tried it and did not receive any benefit. It made me sick so I stopped. It turned out I was being made sick by the 5G and SMART meters in my neighborhood. Now, trying to get rid of heavy metal poisoning with diet changes. I was going to do EDTA chelation but will hold off for now, after reading this post.
DMSA and EDTA are extremely toxic chemicals that remove minerals from your bones, even the chiropractors and functional medicine scam artist know this which is why you have to do it in a very careful sequence, but you will still wind up with porous bones
Read my articles on parasites and look how beneficial they are at removing heavy metals completely intact with no harm to the rest of your body
i practiced AUT intermittently over the past decade and it was not until i heard recordings of Aajonus explaining what he learned about it via his re-search, that i no longer feel the need/desire to drink my own urine.
Hmm. The amniotic sac is basically urine, isn't it? A bit of pee doesn't seem to be a big deal either way. I'm pissed off, ha ha, at myself for not drinking the amniotic fluids my sons were drinking. Opportunity missed. Sorry, I'm not going to start a big research project on primal right now. Some other time, maybe.
Hmm, I can't even tell where my own comment is in the cue. [edit: queue] I respond to something, then those thin lines on the side seem to re-route my comment, hook it up nonsensically to a different comment.
I was eating Weston Price Foundation....that is what has made me sick. Have you read "Dumping iron"? It is possible that now that we are exposed to non-native EMF's that the Ancestral way of eating is not healthy. Animal foods contain too much iron. The Massai and Inuit as well as Native American Indians were not exposed to the levels of radiation that we are today. Natural chelators of iron are plant food like turmeric and rosemary as well as phytates in legumes, nuts and seeds. All these things need to be in balance.
Interesting. Another one I've wondered about is earthing. I've walked barefoot a lot in my life but I sometimes think I'm just connecting to a bunch of electricity made by humans.
Not sure what your husband has to do with urine therapy. I re-read your comment several times and I think it could benefit by a phrase something like "in conjunction with." Otherwise the antecedent to "it" remains unclear. If I'm understanding you correctly, the first it appears to refer to urine therapy by itself but you actually meant it to refer to the urine in conjunction with new crazy 5G stuff. It's an interesting and scary idea, that certain ancestral activities that have worked for millennia might now be electrically messed up.
Or maybe eating meat has never been a problem because people didn't live past child bearing age and it didn't matter if they accumulated too much iron. The premise of the book "Dumping Iron" is based on a paper written by Dr. Jerome Sullivan published in the Lancet in 1981 titled "Iron and the Sex Difference in heart disease risk". There has been a lot of evidence demonstrating that donating blood is healthful and people who have lower iron stores live longer. The practice of Blood-letting may not have been so outrageous after all.
Dr. TOM COWAN has done a great deal of work pointing out that most of what we believe about our bodies is wrong. This is fraud science, meant to mislead. Your heart is not even a pump!!!
Wait, does Tom, you know, do it? I'm cool either way. He's such a smart guy and his stuff on hearts is so powerful. But I am a little curious about whether he has an opinion on drinking the stuff from the amniotic sac (pee).
1) the premise that urine is a "waste" product is false.
2) the source of the premise has a vested interest in lying to us. They are the same group that claim:
a) cancer is a mystery that only has three treatments, chemo, radiation and surgery
b)Viruses are real, and the only solution is vaccination based upon the convenient lie called an immune system.
c) your body is chemically deficient, but they have the chemicals you need to be topped up.
The evidence to the contrary is conveniently provided in three books:
1) The Water of Life
2) The Golden Fountain
3) Your Own Perfect Medicine
Read them in that order. If, after reading all three, which provide a mountain of scientifically reproducible evidence, of what Urine actually is, you are still unpersuaded, then o.k.
We can be correct on one thing, and incorrect on something else. I used to believe in vitamins until you and Agent131711 convinced me otherwise. I used to believe in viruses until I was convinced otherwise. I am open to debate.
Here are the links to the pdf books above:
A Treatise on Urine Therapy JOHN W. ARMSTRONG
It is simply written, when when things were more simple, he does not claim to know why things work, just practical experience on how it worked for him, how to do it, with his experience, over years of treating people with urine therapy. Here is the book link:
Not a lot of curious people down here in the basement, Sober. As you imply (though you speak in a gentler way than me), this Medicine lady is pretty ardent for someone who not long ago didn't know that Vitamin D is rat poison. She doesn't seem to have done basic research. Well, here you've laid it all out. Let's see if she bothers with a follow-up video. Why would she, however, when she gets so much enthusiastic support from people whose level of inquiry here is something like "eew, drink something your body is getting rid of?" Well, I'm not saying I listened to every inch of what she said here, so maybe I missed something (but the comments suggest that I didn't miss anything).
thanks...I copied out this info and will research at some point. I lived in Catalonia off and on for years, and they had a centuries-old tradition of peeing on the feet during a shower. Seems like the least someone might do if they had a speck of curiosity.
I can't believe this has to be spelled out to people using basic biology videos. It would literally never cross my mind to drink my own waste. I read it out of curiosity. What is next? Poo eating? 🫣 Great job Medicine girl, I admire you for your patience to try to educate sheeple, who could easily just do this themselves using their brain cells. 🙏
Actually ...Amniotic fluid is not the same as urine (pee), although it does contain fetal urine at certain stages of pregnancy. Here’s how it works:
1. Early Pregnancy: Amniotic fluid is initially produced by the mother’s body. It consists mostly of water and nutrients that help the embryo develop.
2. Later Stages: As the fetus develops, it begins to urinate into the amniotic sac. The fetal urine becomes a significant component of the amniotic fluid, but it is sterile and different from adult urine. The fetus also swallows and processes the fluid, creating a continuous cycle.
So while amniotic fluid contains fetal urine, it is not simply “pee” but a mixture of substances critical for the baby’s development.
Lady, if anyone pees in a bucket, it doesn’t matter what else was in there—now it’s pee. I’d love to top up your coke while you explain to me how coke isn’t pee.
Thank-you for an illustration of what I always say about trying to engage someone on line: it tends to be ineffective because one’s interlocutors so often proceed by slight changes of topic in order to avoid actually facing a topic and its ramifications. And if they get trapped they’ll double down and stamp their foot (indicated by all caps): it MUST be so. Lol.
I’m a sarcastic comedian, but there’s a guy named Sober Gentleman or something who has left a score or so of sedate, really quite measured, comments on this topic. He’s left them right there [here? I’m usually lost on the internet] under the video of that angry Medicine lady. It’s amazing how confident she is even though she’s someone who only discovered recently that vitamin D is rat poison. You’d think with a history like that she’d be a little kinder to people who have different ideas. Looking at the strident comments of the Medicine enthusiasts and then comparing their energy with that of the Sober guy, my experience yesterday moved me from mostly agnostic about pee and neither for nor against, to a little more on the “for” side. —david
Fetishist also like pee as their kink. It's gross and there is a reason for it. If something smells off or is bitter or off putting we should not digest it. Mother Nature designed it perfectly to protect us.
The taste of my own urine lets me know if I have an imbalance, too much or too little, sugar, salt or other things. This is a feedback mechanism that one gets in tune with. Holistic, natural and how we are designed. This practical.
Yes I would think that even if people believe urine is bad for you, a little taste occasionally would be a healthy practice for information purposes. What, a quarter of a teaspoonful is going to kill me? I can definitely tell if there's more salt coming through. If I could ever get an expert to tell me what's in a few samples of my pee, I could then have a reference point and start making correlations. For example, I bet an expert could tell me if one sample had more or less ammonia. There are three or four tastes that I find mildly repugnant, and one (and this will blow the minds of the scaredy-cats in the M-girl's comments)...one of the tastes is pretty good. You can tell this sort of thing from just a few drops, actually. People in the West are so squeamish. The people in these comments come across as such typical Western middle-class subjects, people who are so freaked out about germs and viruses and lack of hygiene and dirt. Scared of their own shadows. Now it's their own pee they're scared of! Medicine Girl's fright-fest here is so bourgeois, like people who when you visit their house and you take off your shoes they put a paper towel under your shoes. Paranoia...
Ingest, you probably mean, not digest. How would you know if it's bitter unless you've smelled it? How did you get that close? Bitter is generally a taste word more than a smell word, but hey, I'm not judging. Would you say, in your experience, that the "smell" is sometimes different from bitter? What's your palate of experience? If you want to sneak a little onto your tongue it's cool with me. You try to come across as an uptight middle-class lady with your rules about who shouldn't do this and who shouldn't drink that and your uptight refurbished middle-class portrait but I'm beginning to suspect that there's a real human under there, Andrea. Maybe even a real mammal who might be tempted like all mammals to note that urine is informationally rich. I think you're not as bad as you try to portray yourself. "Bitter," lol.
False equivalence is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone incorrectly asserts that two or more things are equivalent, simply because they share some characteristics, despite the fact that there are also notable differences between them
So, lots of generations, millions of people, have been using shimbavu practices and feeling great ..must be kinksters! So stupid they are! They obviously enjoy feeling 'crappy and lethargic' doing this practice because people love that reaction when taking something "good" for them. No way they feel energized and their ailments balance out.
.." I just don't understand why people would put a waste product back in"...well, I just don't understand why we have to put nutrients back into soil. So stupid!
Guys, it's ok to have a reaction to this if you haven't heard of it before. Medicine Girl really needs to learn from those who practice and not repeat bullock studies. Please read the books others have posted and open your eyes and sit with your own walls. It's sad for those of us who practice that know so many people could heal their body if they just understood and dropped the ego. Might even change their life.
If the base premise if false, all that follows is likely false. Relying on the Rockefeller lies is not a good place to build anything. An honest mistake thay can be corrected by investigation. I provided three books that have a mountain of scientifically reproducible evidence that Urine is not a waste product.
Hmm, skeptic here. Sweat, amniotic fluid, pee--I suppose I need a corporate-paid scientist to explain the difference?
Healthy women who are well hydrated, and nowadays that usually means plenty of sea salt, have nice clear pee that barely smells, nice salty sweat (yummy), nice clear high-fluid orgasms (also yummy), and nice explosions of clear lovely liquid when they're going into labor. I get my research from life, not Western fastidiousness and paranoia.
Yes, "Dr" Thor, you do need someone to explain it to you because your are just not getting it. And you are quite the nasty piece of work with your defamatory remarks toward Medicine Girl. Go away troll.
Wow, thank you. Another educating post and I watched all the videos. I am extremely against this gross unhealthy urine drinking nonsense, instinctively knew it’s poison. Learning more with every one. 😅
My personal opinions on drinking urine have nothing to do with the perverts, I simply align with Robin on this topic. Looks like you’re trying to sell your urine podcast here.
"I am extremely against this gross unhealthy urine drinking nonsense," writes mammal female, distancing herself from her life in the amniotic sac with her mouth full of life-protecting pee.
Great post with fun facts and amusing commentary. I like your writing style. Edutainment at its best. My intuition kept me from getting caught up in the vitamin craze and tells me drinking urine is just plain wrong. Filthy psychos love it however, they call it golden showers.
OK OK drinking your kidney waste *may* be bad for you but that is ONLY because you arent "completing the loop"..Alec Zeck butt chugs his own urine and he can bend spoons with his *MIND*....
Why didn’t you say so sooner this changes all of my research-Alec bending spoons with his mind after butt chugging urine?? of course it has to be good for you and if my kidney shut down and refuse to make more urine, I can just drink shots of ammonia
I am posting for a friend who is not signed up for Substack please find herebelow a forwarded email correspondence without edits.
"Dear spiritual friend Sober Christian Gentleman,
Thank you for introducing me to the substance: Medicine Girl.
Please kindly note it has been my great pleasure to peruse/discover her 'Deep Dive' investigations.
I do not hesitate to complement each of her disclosures.
For this reason, I would hope that a mutual trust relationship could be considered as a defacto between each of you.
However, since you have now provided Medicine Girl with your in-depth - abundantly referenced - documented study on this matter, I find myself necessarily, excited and perhaps impatiently waiting in hopes that Medicinegirl will indeed bless her followers with a definitive acceptance of the Urine Therapy doctrine or (also for the benefit of her/your followers) finally,
dismiss it with further argument and substantive prejudice."
People! STOP equating amniotic fluid to urine!! Amniotic fluid may have urine in it at a later stage of pregnancy, but they are not the same thing, nor is the urine that mixes with the amniotic fluid in utero the same thing.
I would think it’s simply common sense to not consume the waste products of the body, but to each their own.
Thank you!!! And even if it were only urine, which it’s not, we’re not meant to be floating around in amniotic fluid the rest of our lives the things that I have to say out loud, make me physically slap my head
Sober Christian Gentleman, "Dr" David Thor, and Nimble Navigator are trolls or chatbot trolls and are responsible for the bulk of the pro-drink-your-own-urine comments on this article.
Thank you for research and excellent commentaries. I could never imagine how drinking one's own urine could be healthy. The body has removed it as a waste product of metabolism.
Feces is a waste product, not urine. Urine is liquid nutrition that is too much for your body to absorb at that time. It is like a storage tank, of nutrition, hormones, and stem cells, that you can choose to recycle or throw it away. Free will and all.
Wrong, but only by 100%
One of The smoking guns that if you drink urine you survive longer?
Remember, there’s no control for humans studies so you don’t have the 2.0 version of yourself that didn’t drink urine and survived the same or would have longer or better. And there are plenty of studies showing drinking urine. When dehydrated will further dehydrate you. You just have to open your eyes and mind to be able to see
So it is a myth that you survive stranded at sea or in a desert without water if you drink your own urine. And think about that for a moment; the body is in a state of dehydration yet it is so important to filter the blood it will actually make urine at a risk of further dehydration or death because without filtering you will die-drinking urine increases dehydration significantly which I discussed at length and both of my articles going over the pathophysiology of this.
You can look up dry fasting as there are people who drive fast without water or food for very long periods of time without dying. I don’t recommend this, but there’s your control studies of people who have survived a month or more without water. The medical industrial complex will tell you you can’t survive more than three days without water. One more lie they tell you about how your body operates
What is the point you ask? The same point for everything that we discuss in this class you are being tricked into SLOWLY poisoning yourself because you’re easier to rule and worth more money when you’re sick weak and dependent (and taking out the people in your family, who have to take care of you full-time which I see firsthand on a daily basis ) on the system and nothing makes them happier than if you have end stage renal failure, yes drinking urine over the years will damage your kidneys. They love it because you don’t know your experiencing damage until you get to the point of no return when you’re numbered kidney disease eg. Stage 1-4 until the final- you’re on dialysis for the rest of your life and if you quit, you can read my second article for the smoking gun of why drinking urine is especially damaging
Why do I speak out when I just get SO MANY angry comments or people cheerleading to their own demise? Because I see the playbook they use It is the same playbook for every harmful substance and how they promote it by writing a goofy book that sings the praises and tells you how it cured autism and all these horrible diseases so you think it is the next new shiny object the miracle care because how could anyone profit from this They want you cradle to grave in the system and you can’t get into the system if you’re not actively poisoning yourself
And my friend agent 13 1711 on Substack pointed out it is a humiliation ritual that the freemasons love like coffee enemas are a humiliation ritual that damages your flora and fauna and your colon excessively worse than antibiotics ever could
Of course, this is all in the playbook that I’m writing. Once you see it you’ll never be tricked into poisoning yourself again and damaging. Your kidneys is especially upsetting to me as a home health hospice nurse taking care of patients who have gone home on stage renal failure without dialysis and watching them slowly drown in their fluids. You may want to read my two articles if you still think drinking wastewater could be beneficial.
And stay tuned for part three where I go over the actual benefits of urine using the blueprint from mother nature, and as always God’s medicine only you can’t hack it as there are miracle cures-I take away peoples binky, their security blanket, and delusion that there is the new improved miracle cure that will keep them healthy when there is no external inside 100%
By the way, if you want to brush up on your logical fallacies the book making a case for drinking urine uses almost every one and it’s fun to point them out like for example, ancient cultures drank urine and still use it today as a medicinal so that must mean it’s Good for you to drink like there’s certain tribes that still practice cannibalism so?
Do us all a favor, Medicine Girl. Perform the test on yourself like Hahnemann did for Homeopathy. Share with us your results after one year. You’ll have more credence having done the experiment yourself rather spout other people’s theories. In the meantime, your arguments hold no water, so to speak. Haha! By the way, does this say anything to you?
“Morarji Desai served as the Prime Minister of India from 1977 to 1979, becoming the first non-Congress leader to hold the office. He was known for his unique practice of “Shivambu,” or urine therapy, which he believed had health benefits. Desai attributed his longevity to this practice, drinking his own urine daily for much of his life. He lived to be 99 years old and often spoke about the benefits of urine therapy during his tenure as Prime Minister.”
Heh heh, nimbly said, Nimble. People just refuse to try stuff on themselves. They'd rather get info from the internet from "experts." I tried topical applications of the good stuff and healed skin cancer. People would rather win an argument than get healthy. I'm not much of a drinker. I'm more of a topical sort. But it works. People in the comments just keep saying the same thing over and over: "but if the body got rid of it..." It's as far as their curiosity can go. Any farther and there are dragons they're afraid of. It's all pretty hilarious.
You’re a rock star, David! Congratulations on healing your skin cancer. It’s great stuff for the skin
I can’t prove it, but it was big and jagged just like the pictures of cancer, and after months of soaking it just fell off a couple of years ago.
https://www.poison.org/articles/urine
Nimble, how would Medicine Girl be doing you a favor? She just finished telling you how wrong and disgusting that 'ancient practice' of drinking the bodies own wastewater really is. Why don't you do us all the favor?
My grandmother lived to be 101 and she never drank her own urine.
"Shivambu", really? Yeah, no. Is that mystical far east alleged practice supposed to make drinking your own urine alluring somehow? I suspect that the so-called "Prime Minister" you mentioned was a Freemason or Jesuit and his bad habit was nothing more than Kabuki Theatre.
Hahaha!
To Angry Tony:
You couldn't even be bothered to read the medicine girl's comment before you had a go at me about it. Which by itself is hilarious. Also hilarious is even after I quoted back to the m-girl, hours ago, her own unintentionally hilarious words, she had no shame in leaving the words up. It'll be the end of the year in a few hours and she thinks nothing of leaving a barely legible comment hanging there, apparently to start the new year with. So many levels of funny. As I've said in many of my other comments scattered all over the place here, I'm just a stand-up comedian and I'm just here for the jokes. It's like there's a whole nest of people who can't read, but they think they're in a good position to make fun of the ancient traditions of other people. I got a bunch of jokes just out of this comments section today. Racists nowadays usually hide better, but you seem pretty comfortable with being open and up front about it. Well, I've had enough. Enjoy your new year. I'm sure you'll be able to find lots more traditional people to make fun of.
--david
"I'm a stand up comedian". You had me there for a moment. I rly thought you were being serious about drinking piss and shit. Good one.
Your reply speaks volumes to the veracity of my claim that you and your bretheren are trolls or chatbot trolls. Thank you very much for the opportunity to out you to the SS community reading this article.
To angry Tony:
Your grandmother was wise to not tell you what she drank. Heh heh. You seem like you would have been pretty judgmental.
Also, isn't Kabuki thousands of miles away from India? Were you just making a general anti-Asian slur?
--david
This isn't about me. Please stop mischaracterizimg me. "Dr." David Thor is a troll or chatbot troll, folks
Until you read those three reference books, I provided links to them. Which answer the question of urine being a waste of product, I will hold my response. You have earned my respect, and I am encouraging you to reconsider based on strong evidence. We can be correct on 9 things and wrong on the 10th. I have changed my view on viruses, vitamins, bread and more. Ad homonyms are not helpful in respectful debate. With respect, I encourage you to take a pause and consider those books. If you are still unconvinced, then so be it.
"drive fast" lol
"Dr." Thor, really? What does that even mean? How does your comment contribute to the overall understanding of the topic in question? Please do elaborate.
How should I know what "drive fast" means? Didn't you see the quotation marks in my comment? I was just copying a hilarious typo that the medicine girl made in her haste to say mean things about people who have different traditions.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/379449803_Explore_Effectiveness_of_Urine_Therapy_for_Various_Health_Conditions
This author is so off base! I really don’t know how she can name herself Medicine Girl. It should be more like Propaganda Person. I won’t even bother taking her argument down point by point. I won’t waste my time. But if anyone wants to research why she’s wrong further, the book “Your Own Perfect Medicine” by Martha Christy, “The Golden Fountain” by Coen van der Kroon, “The Water of Life” by JW Armstrong and so many more. For a quick online read, https://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/UT/Urine
Yes, she's pretty shrill. As a comedian, I'm mostly here to skim for bloopers and assorted comedy. Did you catch her dry fasting/drive fast blooper? Pure gold.
She doesn't have much humility for someone who on her own admission only recently discovered that vitamin D is rat poison. She makes the leap from someone sipping a bit of pee to renal failure pretty quickly. Yes, renal failure sucks...and how's that related to the occasional sip of pee? I taste a bit of pee now and then for informational purposes (I love the idea that doing normal mammal things makes me a victim of a freemason conspiracy!) but I have no opinion about whether chugging pee is good for a person. Nevertheless I can tell when people in comments are groupthinking and attempting to stifle interaction. I remain curious about pee, but having a big chug doesn't seem like much of a big deal either way. Compared to sea water, pee is very dilute and not strong. Right now I'm researching sea salt and whether I can overdose on that, so pee will have to take a back seat.
This is quite a topic to navigate. When I learned urine contained stem cells and my 64 yo knees were complaining I decided to give it a try. My knees have improved dramatically with about a one cup daily dose every morning. I realize this is anecdotal but stem cell therapy is expensive. MW’s tone is quite patronizing - I didn’t watch her videos or read the whole thing but I appreciate the levity of your comments.
Thank you for your input. Anecdotal is evidence; when 100 people have the same experience, that is strong evidence. The Water of Life book explains what has worked to heal people, and Armstrong put his ego aside and said he did not know why it worked for sure, just that it worked. THIS IS SO PROFOUND TODAY. When you explain your situation, such as I have, others can follow our lead if they choose and achieve positive health results. Or they can choose not to. What is amazing to me is that my positive health outcome requires no one else's belief, not even mine; it either works or it does not. When it works on animals, we know it is not a placebo effect because you cannot brainwash a horse in this way. Most people do not know antivenom comes from horses' urine, which has been injected by snake venom. Most arguing against urine therapy have no idea of the mountain of scientifically provable tests that have been done to prove the efficacy of urine rubs, ingestion and injections, and they have never done it to disprove it. Bless you for having courage to speak to the issue.
Hahaha! I love reading your comments. They’re fun and funny. 🙏🏻💖
Thanks Nimble. We’ll prolly meet up somewhere down the road.
Yeah, you trolls can meet up and exchange pee. Good times.
You're here for comedy "Dr." Thor? Go somewhere else and get a clue pal. You are a piece of work, drinking your own urine. Do you eat shit too? Lol
This is a good example of the Method of Trolls, Revealed. Thank you "Dr." Thor. Yeah, you are a comedian, because I'm laughing my ass off at how stupid you and your cohorts are. So you admit "Vitamin D" is rat poision? At least you have a microgram of a brain, but not much more. Troll.
The reason I was somewhat strong is because she delightedly condemned DMSO in one of her articles which might prevent some of her readers from researching it further. Like any substance, too much can be a poison but just the right amount can be a medicine. DMSO properly administered has been miraculous in pain relief alone. So once I saw that she took a radical approach to DMSO and the same “bull in a China shop” approach to Shivambu/Urine Therapy I’d had my fill. Thank you cheer your wise words, Sober Christian Gentleman!
Thank you. We each have to be convinced by strong evidence and sound arguments to be encouraged to do or not do something. Free will has consequences. We try to choose wisely, but when we are incorrect, we can correct ourselves to be a better version of ourselves. I am choosing all the time, constantly adjusting my trajectory toward my best self. I do not always get it correct the first time, but we adjust and try again. That is a conscious life worth living, I think.
Really, Sober Christian Gentleman? Are you and Nimble Navigator tag-teaming Medicine Girl? Must we be convinced? The truth is revealed by the facts my friend. A voluntaryist lifestyle is a life worth living.
https://artofliberty.substack.com/p/indiegogo-for-voluntaryism-8-hours
Stay away from DMSO. Sure it might cure pain, but what else is it doing? What are the side effects? What are the unknown implications/ramifications? DMSO is on my avoid list, thank you very much.
It adds a comical layer that she appropriates an ancestral position of a medicine person and then mocks ancestral wisdom, even using the word "cannibals." You can't make this stuff up. She's so bizarre I can't help wondering if she's what we used to call an agent provocateur. She's just kind of collected a nutbase of fastidious people who are so persnickity they find pee to be indelicate. Hey, as a comedian, at least I admit I'm a bit nutty.
You can make this stuff up. STFU troll.
Martha's book is a science-centric guide to urine therapy, eviscerating the idea of urine being a waste product. Please note: I do not agree with injecting urine, because we naturally absorb it through skin and digestion. Excellent read.
Medicine Girl has done some great work, and I highly respect her; this topic was a landmine that could have been avoided, and insulting UT people is not a good way to tiptoe into a topic. Ad hominums are not helpful in either direction. I am thankful she opened up the topic and believe she will find her way. This post may have shook the UT Tree and connected a bunch if us, lol. .... I recommended Martha's book and two others below. Thank you for your input.
Sober, you're too nice. But I respect you. I'm agnostic on pee drinking but it's obvious that you are being very patient whereas this Medicine lady is angry about something and can't slow down long enough to engage you. She's probably afraid of you and the way you remain unflappable. She's got some hilarious typos which she'll probably only change after she reads my comment here. I keep putting comments here and there asking people to compare the average comment here (they vary from shrill to complacent--the complacent and incurious ones are possibly the worst) with your measured responses. I wasn't that into the idea of drinking pee but her behavior is encouraging me to maybe start having a chug to see what all the fuss is about. And why is she going after such a tiny segment of the population? Are pee drinkers some big threat? Are they the new WEF?
Go away troll.
I told her about the Water of Life book over a year ago, guaranteed she didn’t read it!
I'm mostly here for the comedy. She writes like a child, but not in a good way. An occasional typo is no biggie but when people can't be bothered to make some attempt to check for typos, it's a form of contempt for their reader. They're basically saying, "I couldn't be bothered to read this, but I expect you to do so." Not being able to read oneself is part of a larger psychological problem of not being able to read others, whether it's their words or their face or their energy. She'll probably correct her typos if she reads my comment, so I'll note one of her funnier ones: "You can look up dry fasting as there are people who drive fast without water or food for very long periods of time without dying."
Yes, I'm not a big pee person but I've learned lots in the comments, Sober. I've copied out your bibliography and I'll copy out the one from...let's see...Nimble, for future research. I feel sorry for this Medicine lady. Surely if she looks back on her comments a few years from now she's going to be embarrassed. People sure do get paranoid at a little pee. --david
STFU "Dr." Thor. If you haven't heard, doctors are idiots, liars, or killers, then you heard it here first.
As for you "Dr" Thor, thank God you're here too! I was born for this. Ad hominem attacks is all you got? Oh wait, false accusations too? And now you have a problem if MG corrects her omission or oversight. Fuck you and the horse your rode in on troll. It's a 3-way troll tag-team here folks. "Dr." David Thor, A Sober Christian Gentleman, and Nimble Navigator. I eat trolls for breakfast.
Sober Christian Gentleman, thank God you don't inject your own urine. I was concerned for a minute. I am sure God approves of you drinking your own urine and advocating for it. Are you a preacher?
Tiptoe? I think MG stomped into the topic and is going out in a blaze of glory. Whew! I'm glad your thankful for MG, and I think her post did shake your UT tree. That's why you're here guns a blazin' with your cohort Nimble Navigator. I call that the troll one-two punch.
Nimble, thanks for sparing us and not wasting our time. And thanks for the book titles and link. This is a call to Agent for a deep dive on who was Martha Christy. Excerpts from the site: Copied for educational purposes only.
"Urine can be compared to the leftovers from a meal". The site presents anecdotal (hearsay) testimonials.
"The main theory is that it helps build immunity to disease, much like a vaccination". Uh, sorry, premise fails.
"Tom Brokaw, NBC Nightly News, October 16, 1992:". Uh, sorry, premise fails. Richard E. Sprauge, The Taking of America 1-2-3, tells us MSM is compromised.
Shirley Lipschutz Robinson - is she Jewish?
Hmm, let's see if she deals with stem cells. Let's see if she deals with the metabolic costs of storage and why something could be not worth the storage costs to the body but still be a fairly good compound.
Stem cells are a real enigma that Mexican medical locations charge big money to harvest and sell back to you. They say it is more human than harvesting dead aborted babies. They have a point. But missed that you can loop your own stem cells for free. People even grow their hair back on their head by rubbing fresh morning pee there.
Nice. I may not be a big drinker, but I apply liberally in a topical way. I figure if it’s on the outside, the body can decide if it wants to take it back in. How can I say this without admitting to anything on line…I have a pretty good growth of hair topside. By late February I start getting enough sunlight topside and it all turns from white to blond. I rinse before meeting people, but I have my little joke topside.
When the ammonia evaporates, there is no smell at all. I put it topically on sunburns, poison ivy, and jellyfish stings. It is awesome.
In Indonesia forty years ago, we would whip it out and all pee on someone who got jellyfish stings. Sometimes we would just whip it out and pee on someone to be funny, too.
Now that you mention it, I too put it on poison ivy. I also harvest my own jewelweed and use that for poison ivy. Also now that you mention it, it doesn't smell that I can tell, and you're right it's more true after a bit. I figured that's cuz it dried, but getting rid of ammonia is another way to say it's drying, I guess. People will probably say I just can't smell my own pee, but I can sure smell my own armpits, so I suspect that it really doesn't smell.
Good for you Sober Christian Gentleman, you sick bastard.
Man, you guys just can't give up the ghost can you now? Just appear out of nowhere to troll MG. I would say Medicine Girl is on target and she is stomping on your head. Trolls coming out of the woodwork folks.
Wait, how do the Mexicans harvest? From your own pee? If so, that’s hilarious. If not, it’s still funny, because you could just drink your own for free.
By the way, here’s what I just posted at my own Substack:
Let’s see if I can drop my subscribers back under 200.
People are grossed out in Western countries because science says human pee is excrement. It’s like viruses and germs and dirty hands and muddy feet in the entranceway of a bourgeois house—it’s scary. We should be afraid of sniffing it let alone ever taking a taste whereas all normal mammals understand that the medium is information-rich, and many traditional cultures understand that this stuff has a wide variety of uses on the outside of the body and even under certain circumstances can be taken orally.
Westerners like to pretend that during our most formative phase, in the amniotic sac, we weren’t peeing straight into our own drinking water. Basically peeing right into our mouths. They also like to say that big-hydraulic female orgasm isn’t a lovely sort of pee. And they don’t want to think how close pee and sweat are. I love lady sweat myself.
People can’t handle getting this close to their own mammalian reality so they’re desperate for distance. Otherwise we’re not civilized. They like to say that amniotic fluid isn’t actually urine. Hmm, it’s a fine line. If you’re sitting in a restaurant with a nearly full glass of coke and I whip it out and top you up, you can say that that cup is coke and not pee. But at that point, it’s pee. You’re not going to drink it for the coke, you’re going to not drink it for the pee. It’s pee. When you decide to not drink it, you’ve made the decision that it’s pee, not coke. Apply concept to amniotic squirt-fest as needed.
Without drinking pee, we’d all be dead.
They literally sell you back your own purified Stem Cells from your own amazing Urine.
No! That's hilarious. Revenge against the gringos! Man, I'd like to get into that business. Olah, senior, quieres una "cerveza"? Hello sir, would you like a beer?
Does anyone believe they actually bother to find the stem cells and separate them? They prolly just dry a bunch of it out and there's your stem cells, which is technically true.
[Dave starts his own cartel] [Seriously my brother lives in Brownsville, Texas, right near the border. I can see the comic potential here.]
By the way, reading through some of the comments here, I'm struck by how seriously people take themselves. They seriously say all kinds of mean things about Asians and Jesuits. I mean we're talking pee. I healed myself of skin cancer with it. These people need to lighten up. They're all angry and righteous. If they don't want to drink pee, don't, but they don't need to make fun of traditional peoples around the world.
Coca Cola? You have got to be kidding me. Could you please go somewhere else to whip it out? Excuse me while I barf.
Is that what the Mexican medical authorities say? I call bullshit. Sober Christian Gentleman is a troll or chatbot troll folks.
Oh, let's see "Dr." Douche, I can hardly wait. It's time for you to get a new screen name, and you're fired, troll.
Ok. Let's see, troll.
Interesting to call it "liquid nutrition."
That is what it is: pre-digested, fully processed nutrients that were too much to uptake at the time it was diverted to the holding tank called our blatter. Simple.
Only nutrients were discarded from the bladder because they weren't needed? What about any toxins that the kidneys filtered out which the body knew could be harmful? I'm not a scientist who has studied all the ingredients in human or animal urine. Just curious.
The USA Department of Defence has studied urine, and with unlimited funding, they simply ran out of tests. Millions of compounds are in the urine. Our body is our chemistry set, making compounds, hormones, proteins, human growth hormones, stem cells, and so much more. The false belief, by misleading scientists, claims knowing how our body works is the first step in missing out on health. All their concepts are based on providing a deficient chemical. Our body has many chemicals; it is the balance that is the key to full health. 99% of science is a fraud. Check out the work of Dr. Tom Cowan to get back to first principles. I bet you believe your heart is a pump that pumps your blood; I used to believe that too.
I follow Dr. Cowan. I read his book on the heart. Fascinating! I believe we are fearfully and wonderfully made by our Creator. Although we try to understand how our bodies "work" we will keep on discovering new things, correcting old assumptions/science and then forming new explanations as long as we remain in this realm.
I call bullshit Sober Christian Gentleman. Your employer is actually the DoD now isn't it? Your fired.
Please read my comment below; it addresses your question in full.
bladder
[sorry, former English teacher]
Yeah, you should be sorry. Don't you have anything better to do than troll. It's painfully obvious to me that you are a paid operative for the clandestine services or their contractors. You're fired.
Sober Christian Gentleman, "Dr." David Thor, and Nimble Navigator are trolls or chatbot trolls Donna.
Whoever told you this, lied to you, urine is mostly water, ammonia, urea, and some broken red blood cells, dead cell material, and other garbage, it is completely a waste product, and this is just basic biology 101.
I guess the Creator made a mistake?
About what?
Having us urinate. To drink your own waste means you think know better than the Creator.
We are made amazingly. We are tough, detoxing, self-correcting and anti-fragile. We do not come with an owner's manual, so we have to remember how the equipment works. Having the choice to loop our Urine and recycle our nutrient tea is evidence of the hand of the creator. Intelligent design.
So, this is weird. Is it possible to hack someone's profile and make comments under it? "Having us urinate. To drink your own waste means you think know better than the Creator." I did not post that comment. I was going to post this about urine use in homeopathy. I have several homeopathic Materia Medica's which have "Urina Humana" in them. Robin Murphy's has clinical uses for using it in a diluted tincture and in potency. Here is one describing its uses and symptoms it can produce, https://www.materiamedica.info/en/materia-medica/john-henry-clarke/urea
Good one. Now your speaking my language. These sick puppies are working for Old Scratch.
Who are you and stop commenting under my email account!
Huh? How am l under your email account?
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"I could never imagine"
STFU
I have a whole podcast series on URINE THERAPY. I read passages from books and comment on them. I have been drinking my urine for 3 years now and have alleviated major health issues because of the treatment. I am growing in my wisdom teeth without issue after almost dying from an abscess. Most people's problems come from refusing to stop poisoning themselves with medication, skin crap and toxic food. Our bodies are detoxing, self-correcting and antifragile. Most of the misunderstandings about Urine Therapy come from the retarded scientist who keeps misleading people, who keep believing the 'Science.'
I respect your point of view because of your previous work, but you are wrong on this one.
Most of our belief in how our organs work is simply wrong.
If I am wrong, I will change my view, until then.... I am not convinced by your presentation. Multiple points you made have alternative explanations. With respect.
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Remember, you don’t have a control there’s not a another version of you who does not do the urine therapy to see if you would have healed on your own
I have been observing in myself and those I work with when nothing is done, healing occurs usually right around the time a treatment or remedy would’ve been used, and most people then would attribute the healing to the external rather than their body healing itself as it would have anyway.
1) the premise that urine is a "waste" product is false.
2) the source of the premise has a vested interest in lying to us. They are the same group that claim:
a) cancer is a mystery that only has three treatments, chemo, radiation and surgery
b)Viruses are real, and the only solution is vaccination based upon the convenient lie called an immune system.
c) your body is chemically deficient, but they have the chemicals you need to be topped up.
The evidence to the contrary is conveniently provided in three books:
1) The Water of Life
2) The Golden Fountain
3) Your Own Perfect Medicine
Read them in that order. If, after reading all three, which provide a mountain of scientifically reproducible evidence, of what Urine actually is, you are still unpersuaded, then o.k.
We can be correct on one thing, and incorrect on something else. I used to believe in vitamins until you and Agent131711 convinced me otherwise. I used to believe in viruses until I was convinced otherwise. I am open to debate.
Here are the links to the pdf books above:
A Treatise on Urine Therapy JOHN W. ARMSTRONG
It is simply written, when when things were more simple, he does not claim to know why things work, just practical experience on how it worked for him, how to do it, with his experience, over years of treating people with urine therapy. Here is the book link:
https://urotherapyresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/pdf/the-water-of-life.pdf
The Golden Fountain"
By: Coen Van Der Kroon
Book link:
https://urotherapyresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/the-golden-fountain-complete-guide-to-urine-therapy.pdf
Your Own Perfect Medicine. Martha Christie, book link:
https://urotherapyresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/your-own-perfect-medicine-martha-christy.pdf
When you go to the website:
https://urotherapyresearch.com/
And click the resources page, a lot of the Urine Therapy books are provided for free in PDF download format.
Many people receive zero vitamin D from the sunlight for 3 months out of the year.
I've researched this more than almost anyone and I found nothing against vitamin D other than hearsay and faulty experiments.
Zero experiments have been done on vitamin D with its co-factors taking, all experiments were done in isolation which will always lead to disease.
Hydrochloric acid is used in many mixtures, it's not what's used it's The end product.
Borax is poison, diatomaceous earth is poison. Chocolate and grapes can be poisonous to dogs. None of these mean they are poisonous to humans.
Many healers have used different synthetic vitamins to heal.
Many have improved oral health after using synthetic vitamin D3.
In defense of vitamins:
Vitamin D3 benefits:
https://amandhavollmer.substack.com/p/vitamin-d-reclaiming-its-rightful?triedRedirect=true
K2 healing the body:
https://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-K2-Calcium-Paradox-Little-Known/dp/0062320041/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8
Georgi Dinkov and the importance of vitamins (Midway through the talk):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xXq4S2Dx_b8
no vitamin has ever been isolated you dipshit... keep taking that rat poison dumbass
Since Agent131711 and Medicine Girl presented their argument and evidence about synthetic vitamins, I have taken none and do not recommend them to anyone.
A year ago, I recorded a 6-part series of Vancer reversals with 18 options for improvement. Some vitamins were recommended; you might be interested. I posted part 6 today on Substack.
When I want vitamin D, I get Sunshine.
Because I am a Urine Therapy Looper, I efficiently reuptake vitamins and minerals from food, so taking more seems like more than I need.
I reduce sugar, lectins and oxalates in my Organic-only diet.
I recommended Vitamine C before, but if you need an electron donor aspect for health, a strong magnet nearby will do.
So our Creator fucked up?
We are made amazingly. We are tough, detoxing, self-correcting and anti-fragile. We do not come with an owner's manual, so we have to remember how the equipment works. Free will allows us to screw it all up, but if we are aware enough, in time, we can unscrew ourselves. Return to full health, vitality and clarity. This is true whether someone believes in God or not. It is a truism.
no one drinks their piss unless they have been "manipulated" by another to make them beLIEve it is beneficial... enough said.
La guérison se produit généralement d'elle-même : c'est ce qu'a découvert le docteur Hamer
La guérison se produit généralement d'elle-même ; c'est ce qu'a découvert le docteur Hamer...
Yeah I don't buy Medicine Girl's overall thesis if it's that the body has done complicated things to divert an excess of something outside the body and therefore it's crap. Salt is excreted and that's good stuff, just not necessarily worth storing. Everything comes at a cost, and storage is a cost.
There's a lot of little stuff in pee and I'm guessing that at the least its topical application by humans on the feet for thousands of years, well, science might catch up on that and many other traditional things science can't yet catch up to.
My best guess is that crap is crap. Fecal matter is crap, in other words. A waste product, although even there I've seen what dogs and coyotes eat and it's possible that when it comes to crap a change is as good as a rest. Eating another dog's shit on a rare occasion could offer benefits, and dogs can smell well. And dogs love rabbit poo.
But anyway, pee seems pretty benign. I think Medicine Girl counts a lot for likes here on Western fastidiousness as a proxy for natural repugnance.
I licked urinals in public places during 2021 and 2022 and proved there was never any pandemic nor any other contagion. People sure do go quiet when they discover that one person did the most important contagion research in a century. Yes, I happen to also be a comedian, but it doesn't invalidate my research. People just don't want to know things.
I healed a big black growth on the side of my forehead, its rough jagged shape suggesting skin cancer, by topical application of pee. Obviously our skin is designed to withstand longterm soaking in pee, so the process is neutral unless it has up sides. And apparently it does have up sides.
I may or may not confess here in the state diary, that I may or may not take a sip or two in the morning--there's a long history of people doing that (drinking the morning excrescence), people who were never, like moderns, fooled into thinking rat poison was vitamin D. So I respect the ancient wisdom somewhat. Still, the body certainly does seem to be getting rid of the large volume of pee, so I don't drink large volumes. This lady doesn't seem like she's too open to interaction, but I would say that she might want to try having a sip or two of seawater, or even bringing a tablespoon of tap water up to sea-salt strength, and she would understand something about potency. Salt water is very difficult to drink, even though we are mostly salt water ourselves. Compared to a potent brew like that, pee tastes inconsequential. I'm guessing a little goes a long way.
--Dr. David Thor
I have faith that if Medicine Girl considers the evidence in the books I recommended, she may change her premise and conclusions. I greatly respect the research she has done regarding vitamins and thank her for it. We grow up in the prison/prism of allopathic medicine, and it is difficult to break from that brainwashing. I have change my view publicly, repeatedly as the evidence leads ( my podcast reveals / chronicals my errors lol) . We all are learning every day. Thank you for your input.
What do you have that shows synthetic vitamins with their cofactors in balance to be toxic?
I do not have anything for you regarding vitamins. I eat healthy, which means my body processes all the vitamins I need from food. I loop my urine from the sun up to 5 pm, which means I reuptake everything I need. Super efficient. Then fast from 5 pm till sun up.
She should have read the urine therapy books before her presentation, any good researcher studies both sides first
She bashes urine without research.
She bashes acupuncture without trying it.
She bashes DMSO without trying it.
She bashes vitamins without doing the real research. To this day no experiment has shown vitamin D with its cofactors in balance levels to cause illness.
good luck. She'll never read it. But it's nice that you have a positive spin on her.
Many people receive zero vitamin D from the sunlight for 3 months out of the year.
I've researched this more than almost anyone and I found nothing against vitamin D other than hearsay and faulty experiments.
Zero experiments have been done on vitamin D with its co-factors taking, all experiments were done in isolation which will always lead to disease.
Hydrochloric acid is used in many mixtures, it's not what's used it's The end product.
Borax is poison, diatomaceous earth is poison. Chocolate and grapes can be poisonous to dogs. None of these mean they are poisonous to humans.
Many healers have used different synthetic vitamins to heal.
In defense of vitamins:
Vitamin D3 benefits:
https://amandhavollmer.substack.com/p/vitamin-d-reclaiming-its-rightful?triedRedirect=true
K2 healing the body:
https://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-K2-Calcium-Paradox-Little-Known/dp/0062320041/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8
Georgi Dinkov and the importance of vitamins (Midway through the talk):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xXq4S2Dx_b8
Maybe spam this comment section a bit less, I get your point.
Many specific responses are not spam. I get your point. Cheers.
Pee's not a big deal one way or the other for me. I found your comments helpful and various. I thought "spam" was some kind of repetition of the same thing. Anyway, I'm low energy on it all, but not afraid of a little pee.
Thank you, David. My definition of spam is the same. People can be triggered by the word and want to report to the authorities like good children reporting to their parents. I always address that charge early before the ban hammer drops without due cause. I provided a reading list below if you're interested in digging deeper. Best wishes.
You offered a wide range of intelligent comments in this comments basement. That spam guy is funny. "I get your point." Which one? I think some people have a great deal of trouble dealing with more than one idea per day. People's inability to answer your comments is a big mark against this lady. Your comments just sit here mostly unanswered. A silent rebuke. You say she was great with vitamins. Well, her life was on the line, if memory serves. But in this case she just wants to look good in front of other humans. She wants to win some argument she made up in her head. At least five hours have gone by since I said I healed skin cancer on my face and she couldn't be bothered to respond. Now if it was skin cancer on HER face I bet she'd be way more interested. I'm not even a big pro-pee enthusiast, but I can see when people are groupthinking and trying to shut out truth. Anyway, your comments will sit here and who knows what might yet happen. --david
What do you have that shows vitamins with their cofactors and balanced amounts causing damage?
Great articles! I notice a lot of people who comment an any thread are usually either in full agreement or in direct opposition to the information. Like everything on the web, people's minds are hypnotized and polarized by information. I don't enjoy the practice of labelling people or casting judgement, which I see everywhere these days. There are oodles of practices, things people believe in, things they eat or drink or smoke, things they do, that are much crazier and more harmful than drinking pee-pee. People line up to be vaxxed, drink alcohol, smoke things, engage in warfare, abuse family members. People actually drink 'Coke'. I started using urine therapy (drinking piss) to try and help treat a few different conditions, it seemed to help, but nothing definite. After reading your post, I've decided t quit the practise and see how I feel, I will do the photo in natural light and then do one 10 weeks later, note any difference. I think that the reason I tried UT was the same reason I tried any of the other new agey fad supplement super food scams; I didn't feel well, had a sickness mindset, was programmed for sickness and was the type of hypochondriac person who gravitates to 'miracle cures' ie: MMS, coffee enemas, DMSO, vitamins, etc. (tried them all). It all starts with pharmaceutical meds prescribed by doctors after they mesmerize you with the 'illness' trance; 'here sick idiot, take this poison'... 'ok... (drool)'. Then along comes the vitamin revolution, then the superfood, then the bio-hacking. What next? Sure, drinking pee is odd, but there are weirder things.
There are some people who genuinely seem to have had extraordinary benefits - when nothing else seemed to work.
Jonathan Otto testimonials…extremely conscientious natural health promoter.
Part of the claim is around the personalised stem cells which will be present. Also that only a little may be necessary.
Like yourself, however - haven’t noticed any benefit…nor experienced any harm, but do now collect for the garden.
I’ll do a article on the hoax of the stem cells occurring in your urine and how easy it is to convince people of stem cells so that they actively poison themselves with either urine or other things that allegedly produce stem cells
Urine is a great fertilizer for the garden, if you do not take pharmaceuticals. Plants bloom crazy. I have done it.
Started using it on garden in '22, when toilets broken. Used it exclusively this season '24. First time ever: no cabbage worms, no leaf miners (until September). Tomatoes were exceptionally aromatic, but that could be function of weather. More seasons entered in garden notebook will offer more data.
Urea from urine is fertilizer; the chemical is Ammonia + carbon dioxide; it is literal plant food. The rest of the nutrients are bonuses. Plus, any bacteria that comes along for the ride from the unsterile container liven up the soil with life. Win-win. There is evidence that the more time you spend in your garden, the more the bacteria in the garden reflect your body's bacteria culture, and it produces food more tailored to you. Awesome stuff we forgot.
Rich Earth Institute, Brattleboro Vt. was my info. source.
Last spring when time to give fruit trees first fertilization dose, lacked quantity, as had ceased to save it during winter. Learned the lesson. Calculate will need 112.5 gal by early March, so now collecting it in 2 55-gal. barrels. I suspect the other nutrients are not "bonus" at all but the micro nutrients. Consider S being 4th most important after N,P,K-- short in NE, Midwest soils, esp. since scrubbing of smokestacks ~1970's.
Let’s not throw this baby out!
https://rumble.com/c/c-537305
You might like my podcast series on Urine Therapy; it explains a lot from a holistic no nonsense perspective. I am not trying to get you on board; if you're already interested in the subject, your data point level will go through the roof. False science is our problem instead of true science. Our false assumptions based on lying scientists who were working for big (p)harma is the source issue. "Water of Life" was written by a guy who helped people every day and did not try to explain why it worked, just what worked over and over again. That was the genius of his book: no ego, just solutions based on his clinical observations.
False science, and false preachers like yourself and your cohorts.
What do you think of this?
https://rumble.com/c/c-537305
I am unfamiliar with "The Universal Antidote", so I have no opinion at this time.
That's quite a mix of things all lumped together.
Anyway, the amniotic sac is basically urine, so I'm sticking with traditional ways that suggest a bit of a morning sip and otherwise topical applications, especially on the heels where one pees when naturally squatting. I healed skin cancer on my forehead. If you're actually curious, test pee on one limb and use the other as a control.
I tried it and did not receive any benefit. It made me sick so I stopped. It turned out I was being made sick by the 5G and SMART meters in my neighborhood. Now, trying to get rid of heavy metal poisoning with diet changes. I was going to do EDTA chelation but will hold off for now, after reading this post.
DMSA and EDTA are extremely toxic chemicals that remove minerals from your bones, even the chiropractors and functional medicine scam artist know this which is why you have to do it in a very careful sequence, but you will still wind up with porous bones
Read my articles on parasites and look how beneficial they are at removing heavy metals completely intact with no harm to the rest of your body
you may want to research Aajonus Vonderplanitz’ “Primal Diet ™️“:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qBgV6qD_WLYqALM1_6Cm5RVx6qPTDM-N/view?usp=drivesdk
i practiced AUT intermittently over the past decade and it was not until i heard recordings of Aajonus explaining what he learned about it via his re-search, that i no longer feel the need/desire to drink my own urine.
Hmm. The amniotic sac is basically urine, isn't it? A bit of pee doesn't seem to be a big deal either way. I'm pissed off, ha ha, at myself for not drinking the amniotic fluids my sons were drinking. Opportunity missed. Sorry, I'm not going to start a big research project on primal right now. Some other time, maybe.
Hmm, I can't even tell where my own comment is in the cue. [edit: queue] I respond to something, then those thin lines on the side seem to re-route my comment, hook it up nonsensically to a different comment.
You are the one speaking nonsensically.
I was eating Weston Price Foundation....that is what has made me sick. Have you read "Dumping iron"? It is possible that now that we are exposed to non-native EMF's that the Ancestral way of eating is not healthy. Animal foods contain too much iron. The Massai and Inuit as well as Native American Indians were not exposed to the levels of radiation that we are today. Natural chelators of iron are plant food like turmeric and rosemary as well as phytates in legumes, nuts and seeds. All these things need to be in balance.
Interesting. Another one I've wondered about is earthing. I've walked barefoot a lot in my life but I sometimes think I'm just connecting to a bunch of electricity made by humans.
Get a clue "Dr".
Sounds interesting…look at this as well?
https://rumble.com/c/c-537305
"It made me sick...turned out I was being made sick by...5G..."
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I am married to a lawyer. This kind of comment is very annoying.
Not sure what your husband has to do with urine therapy. I re-read your comment several times and I think it could benefit by a phrase something like "in conjunction with." Otherwise the antecedent to "it" remains unclear. If I'm understanding you correctly, the first it appears to refer to urine therapy by itself but you actually meant it to refer to the urine in conjunction with new crazy 5G stuff. It's an interesting and scary idea, that certain ancestral activities that have worked for millennia might now be electrically messed up.
Or maybe eating meat has never been a problem because people didn't live past child bearing age and it didn't matter if they accumulated too much iron. The premise of the book "Dumping Iron" is based on a paper written by Dr. Jerome Sullivan published in the Lancet in 1981 titled "Iron and the Sex Difference in heart disease risk". There has been a lot of evidence demonstrating that donating blood is healthful and people who have lower iron stores live longer. The practice of Blood-letting may not have been so outrageous after all.
I wish you’d told me this before I got an iron frying pan last summer.
This might also be helpful?
https://rumble.com/c/c-537305
Dr. TOM COWAN has done a great deal of work pointing out that most of what we believe about our bodies is wrong. This is fraud science, meant to mislead. Your heart is not even a pump!!!
Wait, does Tom, you know, do it? I'm cool either way. He's such a smart guy and his stuff on hearts is so powerful. But I am a little curious about whether he has an opinion on drinking the stuff from the amniotic sac (pee).
Not sure if Tom is a looper.
ha, looper. Never heard that one.
Great article like always Robin!
Thank you!
1) the premise that urine is a "waste" product is false.
2) the source of the premise has a vested interest in lying to us. They are the same group that claim:
a) cancer is a mystery that only has three treatments, chemo, radiation and surgery
b)Viruses are real, and the only solution is vaccination based upon the convenient lie called an immune system.
c) your body is chemically deficient, but they have the chemicals you need to be topped up.
The evidence to the contrary is conveniently provided in three books:
1) The Water of Life
2) The Golden Fountain
3) Your Own Perfect Medicine
Read them in that order. If, after reading all three, which provide a mountain of scientifically reproducible evidence, of what Urine actually is, you are still unpersuaded, then o.k.
We can be correct on one thing, and incorrect on something else. I used to believe in vitamins until you and Agent131711 convinced me otherwise. I used to believe in viruses until I was convinced otherwise. I am open to debate.
Here are the links to the pdf books above:
A Treatise on Urine Therapy JOHN W. ARMSTRONG
It is simply written, when when things were more simple, he does not claim to know why things work, just practical experience on how it worked for him, how to do it, with his experience, over years of treating people with urine therapy. Here is the book link:
https://urotherapyresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/pdf/the-water-of-life.pdf
The Golden Fountain"
By: Coen Van Der Kroon
Book link:
https://urotherapyresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/the-golden-fountain-complete-guide-to-urine-therapy.pdf
Your Own Perfect Medicine. Martha Christie, book link:
https://urotherapyresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/your-own-perfect-medicine-martha-christy.pdf
When you go to the website:
https://urotherapyresearch.com/
And click the resources page, a lot of the Urine Therapy books are provided for free in PDF download format.
Not a lot of curious people down here in the basement, Sober. As you imply (though you speak in a gentler way than me), this Medicine lady is pretty ardent for someone who not long ago didn't know that Vitamin D is rat poison. She doesn't seem to have done basic research. Well, here you've laid it all out. Let's see if she bothers with a follow-up video. Why would she, however, when she gets so much enthusiastic support from people whose level of inquiry here is something like "eew, drink something your body is getting rid of?" Well, I'm not saying I listened to every inch of what she said here, so maybe I missed something (but the comments suggest that I didn't miss anything).
Many people receive zero vitamin D from the sunlight for 3 months out of the year.
I've researched this more than almost anyone and I found nothing against vitamin D other than hearsay and faulty experiments.
Zero experiments have been done on vitamin D with its co-factors taking, all experiments were done in isolation which will always lead to disease.
Hydrochloric acid is used in many mixtures, it's not what's used it's The end product.
Borax is poison, diatomaceous earth is poison. Chocolate and grapes can be poisonous to dogs. None of these mean they are poisonous to humans.
Many healers have used different synthetic vitamins to heal.
In defense of vitamins:
Vitamin D3 benefits:
https://amandhavollmer.substack.com/p/vitamin-d-reclaiming-its-rightful?triedRedirect=true
K2 healing the body:
https://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-K2-Calcium-Paradox-Little-Known/dp/0062320041/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8
Georgi Dinkov and the importance of vitamins (Midway through the talk):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xXq4S2Dx_b8
thanks...I copied out this info and will research at some point. I lived in Catalonia off and on for years, and they had a centuries-old tradition of peeing on the feet during a shower. Seems like the least someone might do if they had a speck of curiosity.
I can't believe this has to be spelled out to people using basic biology videos. It would literally never cross my mind to drink my own waste. I read it out of curiosity. What is next? Poo eating? 🫣 Great job Medicine girl, I admire you for your patience to try to educate sheeple, who could easily just do this themselves using their brain cells. 🙏
Oh please, Amniotic fluid is pee.
Actually ...Amniotic fluid is not the same as urine (pee), although it does contain fetal urine at certain stages of pregnancy. Here’s how it works:
1. Early Pregnancy: Amniotic fluid is initially produced by the mother’s body. It consists mostly of water and nutrients that help the embryo develop.
2. Later Stages: As the fetus develops, it begins to urinate into the amniotic sac. The fetal urine becomes a significant component of the amniotic fluid, but it is sterile and different from adult urine. The fetus also swallows and processes the fluid, creating a continuous cycle.
So while amniotic fluid contains fetal urine, it is not simply “pee” but a mixture of substances critical for the baby’s development.
Lady, if anyone pees in a bucket, it doesn’t matter what else was in there—now it’s pee. I’d love to top up your coke while you explain to me how coke isn’t pee.
Amniotic fluid is NOT pee. And coke? Who drinks that shit?? Ah .. pee drinkers. You seem to thrive on toxic concotions.
Thank-you for an illustration of what I always say about trying to engage someone on line: it tends to be ineffective because one’s interlocutors so often proceed by slight changes of topic in order to avoid actually facing a topic and its ramifications. And if they get trapped they’ll double down and stamp their foot (indicated by all caps): it MUST be so. Lol.
I’m a sarcastic comedian, but there’s a guy named Sober Gentleman or something who has left a score or so of sedate, really quite measured, comments on this topic. He’s left them right there [here? I’m usually lost on the internet] under the video of that angry Medicine lady. It’s amazing how confident she is even though she’s someone who only discovered recently that vitamin D is rat poison. You’d think with a history like that she’d be a little kinder to people who have different ideas. Looking at the strident comments of the Medicine enthusiasts and then comparing their energy with that of the Sober guy, my experience yesterday moved me from mostly agnostic about pee and neither for nor against, to a little more on the “for” side. —david
Well, actually, yes, people do the poo thing as incredible as that may sound.
Alester Crawly did poop-eating during satanic ceremonies. The church of satan has its celebration of the perverse.
Fetishist also like pee as their kink. It's gross and there is a reason for it. If something smells off or is bitter or off putting we should not digest it. Mother Nature designed it perfectly to protect us.
The taste of my own urine lets me know if I have an imbalance, too much or too little, sugar, salt or other things. This is a feedback mechanism that one gets in tune with. Holistic, natural and how we are designed. This practical.
Yes I would think that even if people believe urine is bad for you, a little taste occasionally would be a healthy practice for information purposes. What, a quarter of a teaspoonful is going to kill me? I can definitely tell if there's more salt coming through. If I could ever get an expert to tell me what's in a few samples of my pee, I could then have a reference point and start making correlations. For example, I bet an expert could tell me if one sample had more or less ammonia. There are three or four tastes that I find mildly repugnant, and one (and this will blow the minds of the scaredy-cats in the M-girl's comments)...one of the tastes is pretty good. You can tell this sort of thing from just a few drops, actually. People in the West are so squeamish. The people in these comments come across as such typical Western middle-class subjects, people who are so freaked out about germs and viruses and lack of hygiene and dirt. Scared of their own shadows. Now it's their own pee they're scared of! Medicine Girl's fright-fest here is so bourgeois, like people who when you visit their house and you take off your shoes they put a paper towel under your shoes. Paranoia...
To be honest I will stick with water. You lot can drink cyanide for all I care
Curious response. Best wishes.
Ingest, you probably mean, not digest. How would you know if it's bitter unless you've smelled it? How did you get that close? Bitter is generally a taste word more than a smell word, but hey, I'm not judging. Would you say, in your experience, that the "smell" is sometimes different from bitter? What's your palate of experience? If you want to sneak a little onto your tongue it's cool with me. You try to come across as an uptight middle-class lady with your rules about who shouldn't do this and who shouldn't drink that and your uptight refurbished middle-class portrait but I'm beginning to suspect that there's a real human under there, Andrea. Maybe even a real mammal who might be tempted like all mammals to note that urine is informationally rich. I think you're not as bad as you try to portray yourself. "Bitter," lol.
Respectfully, please note:
False equivalence is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone incorrectly asserts that two or more things are equivalent, simply because they share some characteristics, despite the fact that there are also notable differences between them
So, lots of generations, millions of people, have been using shimbavu practices and feeling great ..must be kinksters! So stupid they are! They obviously enjoy feeling 'crappy and lethargic' doing this practice because people love that reaction when taking something "good" for them. No way they feel energized and their ailments balance out.
.." I just don't understand why people would put a waste product back in"...well, I just don't understand why we have to put nutrients back into soil. So stupid!
Guys, it's ok to have a reaction to this if you haven't heard of it before. Medicine Girl really needs to learn from those who practice and not repeat bullock studies. Please read the books others have posted and open your eyes and sit with your own walls. It's sad for those of us who practice that know so many people could heal their body if they just understood and dropped the ego. Might even change their life.
All BS. U think they know how ur kidney works. U brought Rockefeller medicine witch craft to disprove shivambu! Wake up
If the base premise if false, all that follows is likely false. Relying on the Rockefeller lies is not a good place to build anything. An honest mistake thay can be corrected by investigation. I provided three books that have a mountain of scientifically reproducible evidence that Urine is not a waste product.
Hmm, skeptic here. Sweat, amniotic fluid, pee--I suppose I need a corporate-paid scientist to explain the difference?
Healthy women who are well hydrated, and nowadays that usually means plenty of sea salt, have nice clear pee that barely smells, nice salty sweat (yummy), nice clear high-fluid orgasms (also yummy), and nice explosions of clear lovely liquid when they're going into labor. I get my research from life, not Western fastidiousness and paranoia.
You people need to get out more.
Yes, "Dr" Thor, you do need someone to explain it to you because your are just not getting it. And you are quite the nasty piece of work with your defamatory remarks toward Medicine Girl. Go away troll.
Now we're you people? And what are you doing in the basement? Drinking your own pee? Gross.
Here is me reading of the complete "Water of Life" book, just reading, no commentary, so you do not have to. Just listen and consider.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4zWWTD7OxaujK2RExdLOJH?si=usUlT82sROWlKWt2h1Rn7Q
Wow, thank you. Another educating post and I watched all the videos. I am extremely against this gross unhealthy urine drinking nonsense, instinctively knew it’s poison. Learning more with every one. 😅
Urine is not poison. Poisons go to the feces which is ejected out your bum. Fecal matter is toxic not urine.
My personal opinions on drinking urine have nothing to do with the perverts, I simply align with Robin on this topic. Looks like you’re trying to sell your urine podcast here.
Not trying to sell anything. Providing counterpoints so we can all find the truth. I am an expert level on the subject, not a tourist.
"I am extremely against this gross unhealthy urine drinking nonsense," writes mammal female, distancing herself from her life in the amniotic sac with her mouth full of life-protecting pee.
STFU "Dr". Stop harassing women you POS.
Great post with fun facts and amusing commentary. I like your writing style. Edutainment at its best. My intuition kept me from getting caught up in the vitamin craze and tells me drinking urine is just plain wrong. Filthy psychos love it however, they call it golden showers.
There is confusion here with:
(1) perverts and
(2) people who are recognizing the potential of their own body.
Jeez, if we slightly disagree on the health properties of something we're "filthy psychos." Lol. You've been very measure[d] in your response, Sober.
Lol. Gentleman is in the name. Trying here.
dang, I have a typo. Measured, not measure. Ugh.
OK OK drinking your kidney waste *may* be bad for you but that is ONLY because you arent "completing the loop"..Alec Zeck butt chugs his own urine and he can bend spoons with his *MIND*....
Why didn’t you say so sooner this changes all of my research-Alec bending spoons with his mind after butt chugging urine?? of course it has to be good for you and if my kidney shut down and refuse to make more urine, I can just drink shots of ammonia
I am posting for a friend who is not signed up for Substack please find herebelow a forwarded email correspondence without edits.
"Dear spiritual friend Sober Christian Gentleman,
Thank you for introducing me to the substance: Medicine Girl.
Please kindly note it has been my great pleasure to peruse/discover her 'Deep Dive' investigations.
I do not hesitate to complement each of her disclosures.
For this reason, I would hope that a mutual trust relationship could be considered as a defacto between each of you.
However, since you have now provided Medicine Girl with your in-depth - abundantly referenced - documented study on this matter, I find myself necessarily, excited and perhaps impatiently waiting in hopes that Medicinegirl will indeed bless her followers with a definitive acceptance of the Urine Therapy doctrine or (also for the benefit of her/your followers) finally,
dismiss it with further argument and substantive prejudice."
People! STOP equating amniotic fluid to urine!! Amniotic fluid may have urine in it at a later stage of pregnancy, but they are not the same thing, nor is the urine that mixes with the amniotic fluid in utero the same thing.
I would think it’s simply common sense to not consume the waste products of the body, but to each their own.
Thank you!!! And even if it were only urine, which it’s not, we’re not meant to be floating around in amniotic fluid the rest of our lives the things that I have to say out loud, make me physically slap my head
Read the three book links I provided and get back to me. You will be surprised.
Sober Christian Gentleman, "Dr" David Thor, and Nimble Navigator are trolls or chatbot trolls and are responsible for the bulk of the pro-drink-your-own-urine comments on this article.