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Jamie Andrews's avatar

Fantastic double punch with this takedown of the Sugar Pill nonsense. It is so obvious it is a rebranding of the allopathic model of "a little bit of poison can cure you" into a woo woo, new aged, easier to swallow pill... no wonder Danny Boy Zeck's latest offering is pushing this guff... ahead of the curve Robin..and you seem to have lots of hate mail on this, means you are speaking truth to "power" x

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Medicine Girl's avatar

Thank you my friend, I agree with you, Zeck talks a good game, and want to to poison yourself all the same. Your work, Agent's and mine are flicking at the house of cards their entire foundation was built on. We are a direct threat to their pocket stuffing grift

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Chris's avatar

To be fair, Jamie, the hate mail seems to me a little bit stronger on the anti homoeopathy side than it is on the pro. The comments of Adam Antium being a case point.

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Jamie Andrews's avatar

You struggle with evidence to back up your opinions.

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Jamie Andrews's avatar

Lol... 2 weeks later a research gate article... lost cause I think here. Tragic.

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Chris's avatar

Fine if you don't think it is very good evidence in which case criticise it but why the insults. Is it really necessary? I find it really tragic myself that even well educated rational people who do very inspiring work can't dispense with insults over a small difference of opinion. Its not going to help any of us learn.

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Jamie Andrews's avatar

You cited some anonymous person spewing insults called "Adam antium"... you were supporting his insults.. so you are projecting. Cheers.

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juliette newsham's avatar

I’ve been to see a homeopath in the past and it was very nice sitting for an hour being listened to by a sympathetic person. I loved receiving a tablet in the post to take. I had no idea what it was but I liked the magic. Felt a-bit like holy communion . However the tablets made not one bit of difference to what ailed me. I love the idea of homeopathy and wish it did work. I have seen friends see a famous homeopath in London for years at much expense. It didn’t change the course of their asthma and eczema.

I think probably illness that arises from psychological conflict is greatly helped by a sympathetic listener. From my observation physical illness requires more than a homeopathic remedy.

We used to have a school of homeopathy close to where I live. I used to see the students standing outside smoking! I contacted the director of the school and asked how did smoking fit into the homeopathic paradigm? The smokers quickly disappeared.

I’m not sure why some people think it’s nasty to critically assess the claims made by homeopathy.

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Medicine Girl's avatar

I think we share the same viewpoint. I am after the truth, the truth of our potential as humans when we’re not poisoned if it worked, that would’ve been amazing just like German new medicine if it worked great but I truly want to see people free from unnecessary suffering I don’t like to see people die a slow prolonged tortuous and horrible death based on allopathic medicine, which is what I have to do every day

And the reason I write

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Drma's avatar

Your research on this topic is wanting... here is a link to a better biographical analysis of Samuel Hanneman:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373077049_How_Homeopathic_Myths_Are_Born

As a proof of homeopathy being a true and valid form of medicine, it works on animals, who obviously have no "belief system" rendering your placebo argument invalid.

I'm sorry that your experience with homeopathy has left such a bad taste. It does seem that you have an axe to grind, because your logic is not following truth, but rather looking for anything to cast nefarious inferences on this methodology.

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Medicine Girl's avatar

As I maintain if you don’t want to lose your placebo stop reading my work because eventually the logic rises to the surface and when you look at disease processes, homeopathic medicine, fall flat.

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Gabriela Lavista's avatar

I used homeopathy with my dogs and cats thinking that it cured them, until I stopped using it and I started discovering that they recover exactly the same way, in the same time. Actually since I feed them natural food, they barely get sick, but when they do I just let them.do whatever they need: fast, eat, drink water or not, rest, and they get well. Animals need even less than humans because they don't have the fear factor making them think they're going to die or get worse.

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Rand Bradley's avatar

“It works on animals” is a mere coincidence. As with people, when illnesses set in, most get better in spite of any therapeutics treatment. At best therapeutics are harmless but often contribute to illness. Also there’s no way to attribute any sort of healing to therapeutics. How would you know for sure? The healer takes the glory when nature provides the real cure.

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Proton Magic's avatar

The snake venom is given orally and is a protein/peptide so it won't do anything bad if taken by mouth as it will just be digested. In this case it is just a fancy placebo.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1874391913002959

and is given a very magical description by the homeos

https://homeopathyplus.com/know-your-remedies-lachesis-muta-lach/

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Apum's avatar

Where is the problem if the cause of malaria is not a mosquito? Homeopathy is not about using the "cause" to treat a disease, it is about using a substance (animal, vegetal, mineral) that taken by an healthy subject in "provings" can produce symptoms very similar to those of the disease to treat. These symptoms are listed n homeopathic repertories and materia medica. So if China causes symptoms are similar to a case of malaria it can be used to treat that case, whatever it is the real "culprit". True hahnemannian homeopathy is difficult to practice, most of homeopathy in use today is a simplified version for dumb doctors, lot of remedies mixed or prescribed together in a mere allopathic way, formulas for disease names. Real homeopathy is a single remedy at a time, chosen on the characteristic symptoms of that particular patient. So the problem today is not that homeopathy doesn't work, but that today's homeopaths are too often not good enough. So today homeopathy has become a sort of comfort medicine, for minor issues, mainly functional or psychosomatic. If you want to know if homeopathy really works, do not look at the $300 prescriptions of modern naturopathic doctors, go to archive.org instead and pick some of the old homeopathic journals of late XIX - early XX century, read them and see what those doctors were able to do: https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22Homeopathy+--+Periodicals%22

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Medicine Girl's avatar

Malaria isn’t a thing it’s a collection of symptoms caused by poisoning so why would you take a sugar pill if you’ve been poisoned and that would be all of the symptoms…you’re not stimulating the body into healing by giving it a ghost of a poison or something that causes similar poisoning in nature it just starts to really get into the ridiculous

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Adam Antium's avatar

um... reading something in a journal isn't proof that it works you idiot.

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Chris's avatar

Maybe try using a bit more analysis and argument and a bit less vitriol. Apum's comment makes some good points that you seem to miss, case studies may not be proof but they still constitute evidence.

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Adam Antium's avatar

No, all Apum did was regurgitate homeopathic rhetoric and NOT prove a thing... maybe don't comment unless you are intelligent?

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Adam Antium's avatar

did you read the articles?? Everything you wrote is based on ASSUMPTION, there is no objective proof in homeopathy, everything is subjective. Troll much?

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Chris's avatar

Like I say Adam, try a bit less vitriol, all your posturing and catcalling, its the rope you use to hang yourself.

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zdb's avatar
Jun 8Edited

Sometimes it worked for me sometimes it did not. All I read from classical homeopathy was that cause did not matter. Symptoms mattered. If a toxins is known it may helpi determine the homeopathic choice. The toxin still needs to be removed from the environment. Removing the toxin does not always stop the symptoms. That is where homeopathy may help.

From that perspective, the cause does not matter. The cause itself is rarely considered in determining the remedy other than as a guide in the direction of what my help. I had mercury poisoning from a mouth full of fillings. Homeopathy did not stop me from needing the mercury removed from my mouth. It did help later after I got the fillings replaced and still had lingering symptoms. And in that case, mercury was not the remedy.

As to symbols and rituals? Never got any of that with my homeopath. Just sugar pills with substance in them that was so diluted that none of the original substance was left over in the pill.

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Medicine Girl's avatar

The cause really doesn't matter? In what realm could this possibly be true?

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zdb's avatar

Your question makes me think you read no Classical homeopathists like Vithoukas. The cause only matters in terms of removing the cause. Not in terms of removing the symptoms. Once I had my mercury fillings out, I still had symptoms. Not all of them aligned with mercury poisoning. Hence mercury homeopathics were not the right choice.

Likes cure likes does not apply in terms of choosing a remedy. It only applies in terms of "wow funny how that worked." Matching the symptoms is all that matters. Like ringing a bell. Better yet consider sound cancelling headphones. Look at how that technology works.

They do not remove the original soundwaves to remove the sound. The headphones are catching the sound, reading the tones and sending the equal and opposite tone fast enough to cancel the sound before it hits your ear. You will notice when you wear those headphones you can still feel the sound waves moving through you body the way deep bass sounds at a concert vibrate your bones.

Homeopathy works on same principles. That is what they mean by vibrational.

If you think it is voodoo or nonsense, suggest you find a remedy, preferably with symptoms you do not mind much, and try it. See what symptoms arise. Check it against Materia Medica. It is not a book of worship. It is a dictionary / encyclopedia. Every substance toxic or not, changes the vibrations in our body. We are the bell. When you hit a tuning fork and touch it to a bell, the bell rings. What tone of fork you use changes how the bell rings.

Are you familiar with Schumann resonance yet? Everything is vibrating. Everything is vibration. All homeopathy is doing is recognizing that and shifting the vibrations so that the symptoms (non-harmonious tones) fade.

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CynthiaB's avatar

I've experienced and witnessed stunning effects with skilled homeopaths. Wasn't treated for a cause i.e., cure for mosquito bite. Remedy related to very specific symptoms. Unskilled practitioners or those trained in allopathy will practice homeopathy the same way--on diagnoses, not necessarily one's specific unique symptoms, not on rationalized causes.

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zdb's avatar

To be sure if you do not remove the cause, no amount of homeopathy is going to help. If you have mercury fillings and take the remedy without getting the fillings out, it is not going to improve. In fact it might get worse as the remedy might aggravate. Like whipping a horse who is already too fearful and fighting.

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Teresa D Hill, PhD's avatar

So many excellent points in this piece! For folks who are looking for cures for their ailments, or alleviation of discomfort of their symptoms, the missing piece in their logic always stems from an inability to back up and see that 'root cause' is not in the body. In plants, roots can absorb all that the environment has to offer. The same goes for humans. Root causes are environmental. Layering on more-- whether a dose of chemical or the whisper of diluted chemical energy--ignores the ONGOING CAUSAL MATRIX of the symptoms of dis ease. And YES - the role of placebo is strong, cannot be teased apart after the fact, and is total in some cases. I, too, have attempted many potential 'cures' --but now I attempt to contemplate both sides of the coin, simultaneously. Side 1: How can I reduce my body burden? (examples: have amalgam fillings replaced with non-poisonous material; remove an implant that is considered foreign; slowly wean off a drug; block blue light after sunset, etc.) Side 2: What natural essentials can I add? (Expose the eyes to the full spectrum of natural sunlight throughout the day and evening; grounding/earthing to connect--literally--with the earth; focus on ancestral nutrition instead of guru diets that can lead to new deficiencies over the long term, etc.) I will look forward to your next post, Medicine Girl! I appreciate work that goes into providing historical context. A great series.

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Medicine Girl's avatar

Thank you so much Teresa, I really appreciate your thoughtful insights

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Adam Antium's avatar

Everything is a fucking lie!! i know this for a long time but recently, i'm have a very difficult time with it.

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Medicine Girl's avatar

I recommend not getting upset by it or angry as that weakens your spirit and leaves you vulnerable. Start with a healthy outlet like writing where you won’t be censored.

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Chris's avatar

You seem to be having a very hard time.

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Adam Antium's avatar

you seem to be a dumb fuck troll

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Stella's avatar

Great article, thank you MG for helping me wake up to some nonsense. Sometimes in the past I’ve tended to just believe what’s been said about such as Homeopathics, etc., I no longer do that. Many of us are waking up to much in many categories of what the public’s told, some things based on myths, or sometimes lies or worse.

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Medicine Girl's avatar

I was there to, hook line and sinker. It always happens when I just parrot whay someone told me, not actually using my mind to critically think my way through it.

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Tami Berman's avatar

You are missing the successful treatments of things like bee stings or allergic reactions that are treated with urtica urens/stinging nettle, or bruising that is helped by arnica. These are not placebo effects. Comfrey/symphytum helps with broken bones or cavities in teeth. People have dental x-rays of before and after treatment. I agree with the treating poison with poison is nonsense. Hahnemann did acknowledge "obstacles to cure" which would include poor diet, exposure to chemicals, etc.... which is what I was trying to point out in the homeopathic Signal group that I was kicked out of. Nevertheless, homeopathy does have its uses. It is excellent for helping people wean off pharmaceutical drugs. It is possible to get most allopathic drugs in homeopathic potencies and it does help alleviate withdrawal symptoms. Particularly for psychotropic drugs. It can be used to anti-dote the harmful effects of allopathic treatment as well. Personally, I became EMF sensitive when my neighborhood switched to SMART meters. I suddenly was sensitive to changes in the weather and lightning storms as well as RF radiation. The remedy Rhododendron Chrysanthum has a chemical called grayanotoxin 1, which increases membrane permeability to Na ions, preventing sodium channels from closing: it therefore depolarizes most electrically stimulatable cells. This information comes from this materia medica, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N9F5LRS?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US. I have been taking this remedy in a low potency of 6x and it has really helped my symptoms. It is definitely not placebo. I was so sensitive, I could tell when my Husband had his cell phone on in his pocket or when he turned the wifi on in his study. My head would start to feel pressure. Without homeopathy, I would have no hope of recovery from my sensitivity besides avoidance, which prevents me from going anywhere in public.

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Medicine Girl's avatar

Bee stings are helpful. Plants are helpful. Springwater is helpful. Sunlight on bare Skin is helpful. Singing is helpful. Dancing is helpful being loved by someone is helpful. Having a purpose in life is helpful. I don’t need to add a freemasons dabbling in the dark arts and consuming diluted dogs, milk to my arsenal of health.

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Tami Berman's avatar

Um, people have died from allergic reactions to bee stings. A 2 year old boy in my community died from a bee sting when I was growing up. I'm sure his parents would have been happy to employ a homeopathic remedy to prevent his death. Hahnemann was translating medical texts because he gave up the practice of medicine because he disapproved of the way Dr.'s were treating their patients even back then. Read his Organon of medicine. Do you also believe Rudolph Steiner, Father of Anthroposophic medicine was also practicing witch craft? His medicines are also highly diluted and he also uses minerals, gemstones and plants. Anything can be distorted in the wrong hands with the wrong intentions. Do an expose on the Central Banks. That's where the root of the problem lies, IMO.

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Warriormom2's avatar

But aren’t these just examples of real herbs that also work in plain old herbalism and not pus, poison, blood that are (strangely) used in Homeopathy? Seems those are mainly the ones she’s speaking of here and they do seem quite…disgusting.

Also curious: Why not use a Nettle tea or tincture or use a salve instead of a “vibration” of nettle?

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Tami Berman's avatar

They can have different effects when used in potency. And, in higher potencies can have more dramatic effects if that is what is called for. If someone is having an anaphylactic reaction and doesn't have an epi-pen, then Apis in a high potency like 1M can be lifesaving, and there are people who carry around their homeopathic medicines with them. Apis is bee venom. Medicine Girl is not taking into account the many examples of allopathic medicine using plant extracts to treat things like heart arrhythmias with Digitalis which comes from foxglove and is an allopathic example of Like Cures Like because foxglove causes heart arrhythmias. She is naive and has not experienced health issues that are caused by environmental factors that are out of a person's control, like excessive radiation exposure. It is impossible to go anywhere today without being exposed and these frequencies cause heart issues, along with blood sugar dysregulation, regardless of your diet.

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Chris's avatar

Medicine girl, why are you out right lying?

Secale, from ergot, not corpse.

Hepar sulph,from oyster shells, not pus

Humanum lac, from breast milk not diseased breast milk

Lachesis muta, from another bush master snake not rabid dog.

If you're going to try too defend what seems to me just lurid fear porn at least get your facts right.

I thought you were a writer I could respect but I need to review everything I thought I may have learnt from you.

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Chris's avatar

Or was this written by AI?

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Stella's avatar

Hmmm…..

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Homeopathy.With.Anna's avatar

My thoughts exactly as I was reading this.

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Chris's avatar

The logic in this article is very tortured, cinchona was used for malaria long before they decided what caused it, its use was based on empiric medicine, it helped fever, it was a symptomatiuc treatment, so all that Tom Cowan stuff, as much as I admire his work, has nothing to do with anything. Then the article descends into lurid fear mongering about evil masons with their witchcraft and spells, its like some cheap novel to read to kids at Halloween, pathetic. I've really enjoyed this authors takes on vitamins, ivermectin etc but this article is devoid of logic. I've sat in on hours of lectures showing homoeopathic potencies have definite effects upon plants using stringent double blind experiments, sadly I can't find the link it was many years ago but a quick search shows other similar experiments do exist. This author's thinking is very trapped in the materialistic paradigm, homoeopathy often pisses off people who are trapped in body mind dualism and atomism.

One thing to mention, I don't blame her being turned off homoeopathy by the two practitioners mentioned in the first article, complete rip off, hugely over priced and no naturopathic practitioner should be trying to treat without sound dietary and lifestyle advice. I work as a herbalist and would never expect herbs to do the job of proper sensible changes to one's diet and lifestyle. Herbs or homoeopathy are there to support those changes, and yes if I find what I prescribe isn't helping I blame myself not the client. But millions of people all around the world use homoeopathy and find it helpful are they all deluded? Seems very arrogant to assume this on the basis of two dodgy practitioners.

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Adam Antium's avatar

oh look another idiot who regurgitates rhetoric but doesn't prove anything... YOU HAVEN'T PROVED HOMEOPATHY IS ANYTING MORE THAN A BELIEF SYSTEM YOU DUMB SHIT.

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Adam Antium's avatar

PROVE YOUR CLAIMS... "No one has ever confirmed that succussed water retains a usable memory of a substance, or that this “memory” has a therapeutic effect. There’s no identified medium in which the information is stored, no transmission method, no dose-response relationship. The only consistent measurable component is belief".... SHOW PROOF THAT THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A BELIEF SYSTEM... YOU TROLL!!

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Anonymous Media Group's avatar

I think you’re missing a large part of the point. When you choose to be a hammer everything looks like a nail. I’ve used homeopathy all my life. Healed myself and family with it many times. You don’t have a connection to the subtle frequency of your body and therefore you’re missing it. Too bad, you could be providing true help to many. Instead you decided to do the bidding of the corrupt western medical system. Shame you don’t have the strength or courage to fight on the side of truth. Speaks volumes about you.

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Wotan's avatar

I hope that I am wrong, but you give me the impression of representing "controlled opposition". You are maligning homeopathy in a very nasty and incorrect manner and seem to try to persuade people to use allopathic medicine instead. You describe origins of homeopathy, which no longer apply because this field of medicine has moved on. For example, what do you call doctors such as Tom Cowan, Andrew Kaufman, Sam and Mark Bailey, the "Midwestern doctor" and many others? They were all trained as allopathic doctors but no longer work as such. They have all moved into the homeopathic field, but not the one described by you. A lot of what you mention regarding homeopathy no longer applies. The use of, inter alia, CDL, DMSO and UV radiation is spreading continuously and increasingly and successfully deals with 99% of the usual afflictions. This is not allopathic medicine and it usually is covered by the heading of "homeopathy". You ought to be more critical of Bill Gates. His projects such as producing "vaccines" and genetically modified mosquitos are amoral and criminal undertakings and should be described as such. His polio vaccine paralyzed between a quarter and half a million children in India and nothing was done about it.

Just endeavour to to be fair and even-handed in your reporting.

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Medicine Girl's avatar

How is calling out the truth that the body heals itself when you remove the toxins and the poisons telling you to go to a doctor and get a drug to poison you?

That’s why I call out. Homeopathy is a dangerous game thinking you need a sugar pill to heal your body.

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Wotan's avatar

I agree with your first sentence. I do not agree with your statement that homeopathy is a dangerous game involving the taking of sugar pills. In any case, you appear to have ignored most of my reasonable arguments and we probably have to agree that we hold different views on the meaning of homeopathy.

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Adam Antium's avatar

Prove her wrong or all you have is a beLIEf system.. as she explained in the article.

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Adam Antium's avatar

why does something no longer apply due to the field moving on?? The origin of something is always applicable you clown... and hey, read about DMSO and how wonderful it is... then go take some... https://medicinegirl.substack.com/p/disastrous-dmso

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Farmer Pete's avatar

"You are maligning homeopathy in a very nasty and incorrect manner and seem to try to persuade people to use allopathic medicine instead."

1) What is the "correct" way to criticize something? Be really pleasant when revealing inconvenient truths? If there is something to correct that you find factually problematic, please feel free to make a counterargument.

2) You must have reading comprehension issues. There is no place in any MG articles where she is encouraging allopathic treatments. Are you trying to create a false dichotomy? "If Homeopathy bad, Allopathy good?" Try again.

"The use of, inter alia, CDL, DMSO and UV radiation is spreading continuously and increasingly and successfully deals with 99% of the usual afflictions..."

The first part is irrelevant (many people are using many things), and the second part is a bold claim. Can you support this claim with evidence? And can you define "deals with"? Do you mean temporarily managing symptoms or creating measurable, positive, long-term clinical outcomes?

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Wotan's avatar

You seem to have misunderstood parts of my comments. I would never recommend allopathy, because I regard it as a killing method. I am trying to point out that she fails to mention the extremely efficient parts of homeopathy, which are now widely used and, yes, this is what homeopathy now offers. I see no reason to provide the details or success rates of the treatments/medicines mentioned by me in the context of this dialogue. They can be looked up on the internet by anyone. For example, go to the site of "A Midwestern Doctor" (ADM) who provides ample information on the subjects mentioned by me. PS. "deals with" means "heals".

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Adam Antium's avatar

calling her controlled op??? Are you for real? You must be another substack troll with nothing better to do... you certainly didn't validate homeopathy... smh.

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Chris's avatar

Like I say Adam, try using a little less vitriol.

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Adam Antium's avatar

like i say Chris, PROVE your claims dipshit.

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Martin Tower's avatar

A false premise, circular logic, and not a single citation. You conveniently ignore the thousands of double blind studies that have concluded the efficacy of homeopathic remedies as well as the existence of the HPUS. Placebo effect? Again, double blind human studies and demonstrated efficacy on both plants and animals make that a false claim.

That's already enough to destroy your credibility, but you also STILL work in allopathy, a barbaric system that kills tens of thousands of Americans yearly. Sorry, but it's impossible to take you seriously.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

It looks like your materials and mine nicely complement each other.

Unfortunately, no matter how well-meaning or "knowledgeable" a healer is, due to the dozens of harmful sources and their convergence, diagnostics has become impossible:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/how-do-you-know-you-are-sick-or-how

Another major problem is that no functional medical paradigm exist. However, you and I concur that "what nature does best, balance," is most likely the key; it supersedes Terrain Theory, too:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/my-balance-theory-of-health-and-illness

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