Amandha Vollmer's Book on DMSO tells us its lovely to ingest and made from trees when in reality its a toxic waste solvent of the most poisonous industry to date: paper mill production...
I hesitate to wade into this one, but I'll share my experiences. I grew up in Washington 50 mi from a pulp plant. There were days we were warned to stay inside. One day as I stood waiting for the school bus, my nylons literally melted off my legs, so I am in full support of the toxic claims. Many yrs later, working as a Thai massage therapist, I had several patients who were jockeys. They tend to be incredibly intelligent regarding their bodies. They told me about DMSO and how they used it on their horses after a race to facilitate recovery. That led to them using it on themselves. I was gifted with it several times. But I never used it. My initial research brought up the solvent issues, etc. that are described here. I remembered it was popular with the natural supplement community 20 yrs ago. It seemed suspect to me just the same. It wasn't until I worked with an informed wholistic physician that took the time to educate and demonstrate the proper use of DMSO that I began to use it. He took an old farmer with a lifetime of aches and pains, applied magnesium chloride gel all over and then took a cotton ball dipped into DMSO and dabbed it over the injured areas and tight muscle attachments. He then put the patient in a hyperbaric chamber. The chamber pressure plus the DMSO took the magnesium (#1 remedy of the old docs) to the bone. One treatment removed decades of chronic pain. Then I did the same protocol with stunning results. I still treat it as a powerful solvent and use sparingly...a couple of times a year. I learned of its discovery in a different way. Namely, that a night watchman at a pulp plant noticed deer coming to munch on the piles of refuse each evening. The plant chemist heard about it and made his own observation. It was only the elderly deer and they only munched on one of the 3 piles. Intrigued and knowing that animals have innate wisdom, he studied and tested and was led to the discovery of DMSO. The FDA permits the infusion of it into women's bladder tissues when chronic infections leave the tissue raw and extremely painful. I can't think of any tissue more vulnerable, but this powerful 'solvent' resolves it in one treatment. I've seen it in many of my elderly patients. So for those who are hesitant to dab it on an external injury, that is a consideration. Would I use it internally? No...Would I label it the miracle cure for any and every thing? That is a red flag to me. I think there is a reasoned middle-ground approach.
LOL we know how safe the FDA is. I have worked for 35 years in the medical industrial complex and have seen the ways the poison people with their approved drugs from statins to NSAIDs, to Tylenol, causing dementia, renal damage and liver failure respectively
Check my background all my licenses are public record. I have nothing to hide. I was outspoken against a pharmaceutical industry and psychotropic medication‘s 30 years ago. That’s why I got into nursing I thought sincerely that it was just the mental health field. They were poisoning and trying to harm patients when I got my license as a nurse I was heartbroken to realize it’s Everything including the functional medicine, doctors homeopath and naturopath they adopted the allopathic model of Medicine so they can rake in the money
I worked in psychiatric hospitals with patients. The nurses administered drugs. I was a psych tech so I took blood pressure and sat with the patients, eased their suffering made themLaugh, talk to them like normal human beings. I had an award from Dr. Ron Remick when I was working at Lake whatcom residential treatment center in Bellingham, Washington the patient on my caseload did the best in terms of leaving the facility and living on their own independently. I was in the top five case managers in Washington state because I empowered them loved them treated them like human beings and helped them get off of their psychotropic medication.
As a registered nurse and Hospice I go into patients educate them on the dangers of pharmaceutical drugs, handout pamphlets from Weston Price foundation about the truth about cholesterol and talk to their doctors about getting them off of medication so I’m in alignment with what I do and get a lot of pushback.
After saying that, why are you attacking someone that’s trying to educate you so that you’re not duped and tricked into poisoning yourself.
In the private sector and peoples homes, I get more love and respect and kindness from people you call sheep that are in the matrix then here unopposed freedom channels I get attacked for trying to explain that you’re being tricked into slathering and taking poison from pieces of paper and doctors who make an unconscionable amount of money from your ignorance clicking on their affiliate links and taking their private label supplements which they don’t even take
Ok...thanks. I think the short answer is that you were not qualified to hand out meds. Good that you did your best to work around the issues in your way. There is an element of biting that hand that fed you.
What makes you so sure that you are the only one that cared for these patients? That these doctors didn't ache for them and for the limited means and failings of the help they offer?
More importantly...how is it that you hold yourself as an authority in this arena? Your positions are too shallow and hasty, shrill and combative.
I lived in Eli Lilly's backyard for a time. I met some fascinating old people who scoured the woods and fields for plants that they sold to Lilly. Those plants were cleaned, dried, ground into powder and encapsulated. It made me look closer into how medicines are derived. Later when I was in the botanicals business, I found myself in a bidding war with a major drug company for uva ursi leaf after Chernobyl. "What do they want it for?" I fumed. They needed it for a similar simple formulation for a blood pressure med. It/they are not all evil, greedy monsters to broadly demonize. Like everything in life, it's a mixed bag.
Have you ever had an anesthetic for dental work? Is someone wrong for using a surgical anesthetic?
I was given Pitocin and several epidurals during my pregnancy with my first daughter, and they almost killed me and her. She went into fetal distress and I had severe head and backaches for 2 years and in my 2nd pregnancy which was 2 years later. I gave birth to my next three daughters with no MD, no drugs, no trauma to me or my babies.
What an incredible experience Myriam.... Leaves me breathless... Thank God you and your baby emerged from it...hopefully both healthy at this point. Powerful learning experiences that you, no doubt, are turning into medicine for others now!! How wonderful and affirming your next decisions!! Thank you so much for sharing....
All Functional Medicine MDs or practitioners are not the same. I practice Functional Nutrition from the functional medicine model and help people achieve true health. I am not an MD.
Do you prescribe supplements and treat symptoms? Not saying you are all the same, but you business model is the same as the allopathic, the more the patient needs to come and see you or get blood, hair, fecal, urine tested or take your private label supplements the more profit you make. It is understood that it is still a sick based model. I don't think anyone should have to see a practitioner after 10 sessions tops. More like 6-8 and they have taken the baton and are running with their own power to heal their own bodies, with everything they need within them. No one should tell someone what to put into their bodies, especailly nutrition, your are interrruption their own intuition. And if they are drinking soda, alcohol, junk food, address the addictions and their diet cleans itself up
I recommend an anti-inflammatory diet and lifestyle. They don’t come to see me 10 times and I’ve had great results with people. I nutritionally counsel them and recommend a few supplements which help the organs to function optimally. I teach them about detoxifying the body, balancing hormones with diet and lifestyle, optimizing brain and moods. I put my heart and soul into my clients and I’ve had excellent results. I don’t run any of the functional medicine tests.
One of my Yoga clients just hired me to help her and her son with their Nutrition. They had absolutely no idea how toxic our food supply is. I am an educator and my job is to teach people and then they need to do the work.
I’m a retired RN and DMSO and chlorine dioxide are 2 of my most reliable resources in my arsenal. I have been functional again after contracting chronic Lyme disease with absolutely zero treatments. The combination of these 2 took me from deaths door and I’m able to do almost everything before my body couldn’t fight anymore. There isn’t anything anyone could tell me that would have me believe anything other than that, when used appropriately, this combination is miraculous.
What a great testimony! Severe Lyme is a devastating disease and very few recover from it. How refreshing to hear of a proper use and an amazing response!
As with everything, there is a risk:benefit ratio. You have successfully attained huge benefit with minimal risk.
The thing speaks for itself: You got your miracle cure, and others can potentially do the same.
Perhaps you could be so kind as to tell us your recipe. Thank you!
These dmso testimonials are birthed from the heart of the people being cured,too act as if that's not occuring in record droves by thousands of testimonials puts you in league w any deception seen on substance..There emotional,most satisfied results at 99 percent is unbeatable,castor oil running perhaps second at 90 percent good to great results.
You have 1 valid criticism strong,it's one more if thousands of toxic solutions that damage environment in manufacturing ..fine ..we agree to stop using it once they get rid of say 80 percent+ of other ones that do no good at all,deal fair ,rational enuff? Of course..
Other semi correct criticism is overdose can destroy tissue or bone.. testimonials indicate even heavy use is not as it's traveling so fast from one zone to full elimination so usual dangers this substance just dodges at 99 percent..but as a caution I recommend 2 days in max,3 days off,not more then 10 days a month and try to reduce to lowest effectual dose
I love how you weave the story to include animal benefits, and how you just had to hear the right brand of snake oil salesmanship to believe using an industrial chemical on your body is good for you
Just my experience... No need to insult. Many things in nature have broad applications. There are many paradoxes in nature and much we all still have to learn. When you study medicine systems around the world (and I do have lots of experience on the ground), especially in the poorer countries, "What works works." An unprejudiced mind is essential...continually open to learn and revise. I happen to respect my experience. I am medicine and illness free after some horrendous challenges. Ease up...
Not insulting at all I’m just saying you cannot poison. The body back to health and that people are using it or on their animals is no justification for its benefits. They poison animals, the same way they poison humans to keep the herd sick, weak and dependent.
They lie to you about everything you think they’re going to give you some thing that actually heals your body? They trick you into slathering poison on yourself, taking vitamins and supplements, which are equally toxic. Instead of allowing your body to get plenty of sunlight on Bears skin, living, springwater, and healthy nutritious, living foods, and wild hunted game. But again I don’t have that toxic waste to sell back to unsuspecting public. I am just one woman who is sick of seeing people being tricked into poisoning themselves after decades of it self and poisoning my son with vitamin D3 I’m done. My back is up and I’m ready for a fight stop telling people to poison themselves. Drink a gallon of this crap if he wants take a bath in it but stop singing the praises like it’s actually benefiting you. Do you know your reproductive health? Do you know your human potential when you’re not poisoned in anyway? Do you know what your intuition is like when you’re not slatheringDMSO all over your body that gets into your blood brain barrier and stops you from realizing your potential? Do you know this calcifies your body? Specifically your pineal gland? Reid over any of the studies that I’ve included in the references section and this is mainstream matrix studies telling you how dangerous this crap is.
You can use poison to heal. It's been done successfully for centuries.
Ancient cultures put tiny amounts of poisonous snake venom in baby's milk in areas with poisonous snakes to create an immunity in their children and it worked. Much like how Mongoose became immune to snake venom. By taking it in.
Hear! Hear! Myriam!! Also the amazing discovery of Willard Water from an industrial ball-bearing cleaner which has healed people, animals and helped to grow healthy and large sized vegetables, might also be considered a poison. But it’s not.
Pirate, can you give me a link to the practice of putting venom in babies milk? Am genuinely interested.
But this isn't an example of using poison to "heal", putting venom in a babies milk could build a tolerance (as regular alcohol consumption builds a tolerance) to ingested venom (which isn't necessarily a poison) whether that could give immunity to venom injected via a snake bite, hmmm?🤔
That's not "using poison to heal." It's forcing the body to adjust its priorities to focus on handling snake venom. Might be a good idea if you know you'll get a snake bite, just like building a tolerance to alcohol could be a good idea if you know you'll have to participate in a bender with business partners, but no one would be confused that this is an example of "using alcohol to heal."
Ok, so you've swung hard from one side to the other. Like a patient that goes from taking one handful of meds to 2 handfuls of supplements and then on to the next extreme. This is more a function of your personality than a laying down of truth. I am happy for your discoveries, but you are quite the extremist here. I spoke in terms of caution and moderation and this is your response?!
Med Girl,Im with you and agent on alot not all...however calcification is one we agree on ie vitamin D and calcium =rat poison,etc...
Theory: calcification of arteries by synthetic vitamins,mainly D and calcium and synthetic drugs and chems number one cause of death in USA elderly! Agree!?
Evidence synthetic calcium is manufactured to act similar to asbestos and digs into veins walls,especially when pushed by vit D hormone effect on it.This creates wall abrasions and dryness,then penetrations by coarse edged calcium particles creating near scaffolding that grabs onto cholesterols forming plaque..but always begins with white calcium edges,and then turns yellow,brown plaque and cholesterol gets the blame although many honest surgeons declare it's the CALCIUM..So a conspiracy hiding synthetic calcium as culprit #1,blaming cholesterol,selling statins etc..
Can you have Agent and you deep dive it..all the white chalky veined cadaver photos
removed from internet in last 2 years,just brown plaque one now,mainly signs of mass cover up of synthetic calcium being biggest chemical killer! Should be tons of subplots for you and Agent to uncover..Heart disease by plaque biggest killer,but CALCIFICATION adds to a dozen plus more diseases..This wasn't happening before synthetic calcium added to our food,vitamins,milk.Big sleeper story...innocent healthy calcium vitamin biggest killer ever!!
Via a CT scan, I was diagnosed with a "carotid artery dissection" on Feb 28, 2025.
They have taken a "wait-and-see" approach, putting me on a baby aspirin until a follow-up CT scan scheduled 3 months later (July 3rd), to check the status.
(In addition to the baby aspirin, I was also on a prescription blood-thinner for about 4 weeks after the Feb 28th diagnosis. They took me off that at the end of March).
I had been taken D3 supplements for several years, with D3 testing in the 50-60 range, and I had been quite pleased with these results.
Providentially (thank God), after the diagnosis on Feb 28th, I stopped ALL supplements, because I did not know what kind of effect they might have with the two blood thinners they had put me on.
Somewhere in this time period I came across these substack articles criticizing D3 supplementation, and I have never re-started them.
I am now waiting for the July 3rd CT follow-up, and came across your comment.
MY GOD.
Is this what happened to me? D3 supplementation caused the carotid artery dissection?
It surely fits with your comment.
Well, I will remain off D3 supplementation, and see what happens July 3rd, the good Lord willing.
I am hoping and praying that the body rectifies itself and the CT scan comes back normal; and perhaps, being off the D3 all this time may be the key.
Anyway, thank you for this comment. Much food for thought.
I'm not certain that very low d3 combined w k2 and magnesium might be better then full off on 3..Ie your body's accustomed to having minerals ripped from bones including calcium and cholesterol sulfate from skin potensized by sun to have good effects...why vit D has strong positive side as our food is mineral ie bioavailable types,non synthetic, depleted .Id consider 300-800 a day but only w K2 and mag same times..make sure no k1 involved as that's a coagulator..option is maybe sea moss has best spectrum mineral rep now,avoid minerals from Utah or China ie polluted too much several, fluoride overload Utah..
Consider,chelating calcification out with pectin,food grade only mixed w lecethin..they use this combo to cure horses of ulcers and discovered it cleanses arteries, especially brain calcifications, alzheimer's.take 3 tbsns raw coconut oil day ie break into 1.5 twice day, hawthorn oil or pills,co q 10 150 mg twice day,top grade,low on additives,get off statins ,all drugs if any..no pain drugs,switch to natural aspirin ie white willow,less caustic,better..low dose 2x day, turmeric,curcumin 900 mg day,2 dose 450,don't go above 4 mg piperine as overloads kidneys( don't take other pills within hour of turmeric ie easy on kidneys..break up all pills by 40 min minimum..avoid green tea extract entirely.. sea salt no Utah in water ie 1/4 tsp plus 1/4 tsp baking soda to raise pH and bind toxins..activated coconut charcoal 2 pills once a week or if feel ill w baking soda 1/4 tspn will pull out excess bacteria etc fast,better inside 2 hours also acid reflux.. report back if helped
As for DMSO..I'm undecided..I need to read more testimonials to decide if DMSO is rigged be bad guys...so far it looks good even though as a toxic solvent it shouldn't logically..
I suspect reason is most DMSO is made from pine tree like turpentine also super toxic in theory by chemical analysis comparable ..but made from pine usually..
I suspect pines chemicals are surviving distillation and processing or it's frequencies are surviving as ultra healing ie pine tree is famous for acting as an antenna to broadcast earths shuman resonance..many cancer drugs from pine tree suppressed or delivered without the mix used in original studies or big pharma doesn't want to cure their big money maker cuz evil elites n culling too..So DMSO, turpentine etc mysterys..likely real good stuff ..but research different DMSO makers,dodge china..make sure pine and report back here please if ya like..
The way she worded her response is dismissive and insulting to your comment that includes much more than the "weaving of animal benefits" and "right brand of snake oil salesmanship". You gave years of experience in detail.
Hey, Medicine Girl, ahem...have you ever used DMSO yourself or know anyone who has personally? Or is this just a reactive post to an email you don't like?
Does everyone need to agree with you? Or are there other valid points of view in the world? Curious...
I’m using DMSO directly on one of my knees and have had no negative effects, only relief. I’ve read incredible testimonials on it also. I’ve been on a holistic health path for 46 years now, since age 19.
It’s impossible to say what slathering and industrial solvent that is a biohazard to marine life and kills land animals insects etc making it an herbicide insecticide rodenticide… it will definitely erode your cartilage and tox your synovial fluid for starters….
I let people believe what they want to believe, but I will say this: Dr. Stanley Jacob was my ex-wife's step-father, I worked with him for several years, primarily doing extensive research (reading 1000's of published studies) and writing a business plan for a DMSO-centric pharmaceutical enterprise (orphan drug status, severe closed head injuries, blah blah).
There may be 3 people in the US who know more about DMSO and it's history than I do. At most.
Some of this "scare piece" is accurate, most is off by a wide margin.
It's primarily aimed at the simple minded, from my view.
If anyone takes the time to scroll thru the titles of the so called "studies " he cited, MAYBE A HAND FULL out of all listed pertaining to DMSO. And just by the title of the study it doesn't seem to prove a negative effects, but the rest all are a bunch of crap, related to famine etc in pregnancy. He's writing this to SCARE THE CRAP out of people who are smart enough to check for themselves. They just BLINDLY BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY'RE TOLD/ READ WITHOUT FIRST CHECKING THE FACTS.
How is it a scare tactic to say you don't want an industrial solvent inside your body that crosses the blood brain barrier. As far as I know we aren't born with a DMSO deficiency. This is a dangerous poison that doesn't belong in your body, unless you want to sterilize yourself or your children. The reference section is for everything written and the articles I included, which I should have taken some of them out, but so what. Just do more digging. The information is there. But those with alleged high IQ''s (meaning the government hunts schools for you with high INDOCTRINATION Quotient, not actual intelligence) are the ones that fall for the snake oil scams the most, you guys believe anything that a pharma funded peer reviewed article says. That's how they get you. Those of us with actual intelligence don't need further evidence: if something is a byproduct of industrial waste, it is poison, and if it kills aquatic life, sterilizes humans, and crosses the blood brain barrier I am not getting near it. Those of you indoctrinated by the higher education system will slather poison on yourself, your children because the piece of paper told you it was ok.
First I want to say someone needs to represent pure mother nature without much or any noticeable compromise and Medicigjne Girl fills that void for us online health researchers.
She gives us all better bearings on where we should be or shoot for in a utopian ideal huh as there adding thousands of chemicals every year at last check a decade ago and that jneeds to stop regardless of so called benefits and cuz most aren't properlly studied , especially for new chemicals produced when mixed in environment and our bodies...
That said DMSO is far from a top FRAUDELENT chemical despite it's amazingly dicey beginnings background that Girl explains fine, it rolls more winners and healing testimonials stories then 95% of the drugs or chemicals out there with least spoken of side effects easily, although the risk of this chemical is in the long-term ie 5 to 39 years as too late for connections to be made so could well be too harmful but no proof and it's serious side effects rate is as low as it gets nearly otherwise.
Further it does things no other chemical can do in many ways for multiple ailments as testimonials show everywhere.
Med.Girl did cite some areas of side effects but could have done much better,citing some of the specific studies and multiple cases of harm to back her case,have to give her a substantial low grade on showing clearly there is a risk ,roll of the dice w DMSO more then advocates admit ie article far too short there... and real case stronger then she showed... sterility evidence should have been cited for example among others if your going to take on holistic favorite bit toxic chemical that's not in fact made from pine trees(but turpentine is,how's that compare Girl as 2nd most favorite toxic chemical,better or worse!?)
Resting on natural laurels it polluted environment and rather benign criticisms when we have a over a thousand worse chemicals killing us and world while DMSO is actually largely working with less overall damage then 90 percent of chems will win very few over to agree DMSO should be shelved off our list of goto's for healing in moderate amounts.
Still I'm glad shes there doing no compromise thing cuz thats where God's spirit is with the chems and we need to get there but until we're alot closer I think we should reserve a few percent of those chemicals like DMSO and then kick em all to the non curb cuz no cars either and then frolic like in the sound of music non stop!
That said I don't like it's fast full penetration of body and would only risk it in urgency.. but I do wonder if it could be used to improve recent magnet nanotech clearing like with Jsinton@ substack...I suspect pulling nano into toxic metal pools and then right thru sides of veins so dust gathers on magnet big time and blood apparently clears under microscope is way more risky then DMSO but maybe necessary if we're gonna make it much longer,what do you think there Med Girl/ Agent 1317111!? Biggest elephant in room right now with white calamari clots at 25% of us according to about a hundred coroner's or is that misinfo? What about a third of people showing microscopy live blood cell analysis blood that's not moving anymore just lumped layered masses of 1/4 size collapsed blood cells we can't believe are real..but are they!?. Are we shutting down are collective mindbfilters there,as too negative to face!? If true how are we alive! without adequate oxygen,iron process?Energy system replacement? Supernatural quantum aspects to nano and blood happening now,ferget Old chemical issues already, immediate emergency in our blood and future prospects there without solutions quick!..Wish youd brilliant get Agent friend on it to save our asses and get off this relatively piddly hippy natural girl quest for awhile even though I love you for it,I'm an old hippy organic dude from way back, haha!
Check the fax this crosses the blood brain barrier instantly goes systemic instantly and is an industrial solvent that dissolves glue and other chemicals
Unless you have a therapeutic that doesn't cross the blood brain barrier (which not much does -- it's called a barrier for a reason) and getting the therapeutic to cross the blood brain barrier will result in healing... like with glioblastoma. But, hey. You can trash the potential DMSO benefits if you want.
Yes and I personally know two people who's lives have been saved after both being told they had weeks to live. Using DMSO and THC. I've had a torn ligaments that have healed in days and many other successful outcomes.
There is no such barrier proven. But there is likely some filter based on a size of particles size and perhaps a charge state of particles.
Still some artificially created chemicals may be beneficial for health in some situations. But it is really hard to prove without proper monitoring of vital variables and without reference material for optimal health state.
When does the poison kick in, btw? I've been using it for 30+ years, I'm in my 60s & off the charts healthy. Stan was about 90 when he died, sharp as a tack, and he was a walking DMSO crystal.
Happy to do the homework myself, but why not help readers understand your point by laying out some details or pointing us in the right direction so we can go dig? That would be helpful for readers, instead of just a vague statement or glittering generality.
If you have specific things that you believe are "off by a wide margin," why not state them for discussion?
Also, who is this collective "we" that you're referring to? I only see a "you" making these claims, not a "we" ...
I’d sure love to hear more of your perspective on this medicine. It’s been miraculous for my pain and I was literally suicidal because of it so don’t have much to lose. There are two ways of learning, one is direct experience and the other is choosing to believe other people — the latter is far less reliable. People that shitpost about stuff they have no direct experience with are not worth listening to most of the time.
Response is overwhelming positive,but all has side effects..what yoo look out for w DMSO? I'm guessing lathering on daily could disolve tissue of most minerals etc and delaminate tendons or effect bone connections etc causing tear increase.whay else?
Guessing most problems can be dodged by not using to heavy and not more then few days on,few off , similar to castor oil ie rumours oil can build up too much if don't take breaks.
Other concern is blood or brain poisoning by drawing in other toxins on skin or elsewhere in body to wrong places to fast for body to detox or you can taste DMSO inside a minute on toungue wherever you put it!..anyway what's top 5 negative list on DMSO?
Do you feel pine tree source and healing rep is part of how DMSO is healing ie allegedly pine trees act as an antenna for healing shuman frequency and have healing vibes most powerful ie many pine tree ,bark cancer cures..
I have read some studies and a couple of books that are overwhelmingly positive towards DMSO. Interesting you have a different take. All that being said, I used to follow Amanda Vohlmer on social media and stopped doing so when she started posting Holocaust denial propaganda.
I see a cleaner healthier world and bodies if we stop 95 percent chemical manufacture and s9ave 5 percent...I'd save DMSO In top 30 of most effective chem meds..dump 95 percent of meds too please organic hippys and God too and save world..chems are the real global warming,etc and they blame us! We never asked to add thousands of chems,only a few hundred elites w devil worship backgrounds pushed that and destroyed our world and biomass nearly!We all need to become like Med girl but DMSO stays till last 5 percent shelved and we're frolicking in the Alps like Julie Andrews and anti Nazi kids 24/7!! Ha!
Thank you for your information.I have just used DMSO to get rid of a continuously occurring Myxoid Cyst.It has gone and the nail deformity has healed.Several burns have healed quickly without pain and no scarring.I am totally new to this at 74 and living in the UK.I have been thinking it’s the best thing I have ever found, but need to know the downsides.
Please can you recommend a book that has a balanced viewpoint of the good and bad .I would much appreciate it.
I've used DMSO for decades, as has my wife. Lol, we have 11 children, so I don't think it has caused infertility problems. My adult children use it as well, and I have 24 grandchildren and counting.
It's fine to say that inflammation is the body's natural healing mode, but I have a family to support and work in the construction industry. I need to be able to move, carry ladders, equipment, etc. I wish I had time to lay around and let my body heal at its own pace, but I'd starve first. Magnesium chloride and DMSO are fantastic for sore muscles.
DMSO is naturally occurring in small quantities in many fruits and vegetables. It has been found in asparagus, barley, beans, beets, cabbage, corn cucumbers, oats, onions, tomatoes, apples, coffee and tea. DMS is released in huge quantities by phytoplankton, which is then oxidized in the atmosphere into DMSO. It is present in the soil as well. You have some in your body whether you want to or not.
I can’t remember the last time I walked out into the forest on my daily hikes and found a bottle of DMO tapped from a tree. It’s ludicrous to say it’s naturally occurring in nature go to a papermill factory and see how they extract this toxic chemical that everyone seems to love, which baffles me still Here’s the thing that so bizarre you claim you’re using it for all of these ailments don’t you think it’s causing these ailments?? bladder infections and constant problems that you’re treating? I don’t have anything that needs treating Read that again. I don’t have UTIs. I don’t have any medical issues whatsoever I have perfect eyesight, my hair is full natural color. I don’t have wrinkles or sagging skin or age spots. I don’t have anything that needs treating therefore if you’re using DMSO over the decades, somethings wrong.
I'm still getting feedback on my comment so I decided to reply to your rebuttal for the people who are seeking information.
"I can't remember seeing DMSO tapped from a tree." I never made such a claim. What I said was that DMSO occurs in nature. Phytoplankton make large quantities of DMS which is then oxidized into DMSO in the atmosphere. It falls to the ground with the rain and is absorbed into the soil. Many plants uptake it from the soil. The odds of you having no DMSO in your body are basically zero. I will list the science if you care to discuss, instead of the silly strawman argument you posted.
"It baffles me that everyone seems to love this chemical." This is admitting your ignorance. Nothing wrong with being ignorant, we all are on many things. But it should spur you to talk honestly with people who love DMSO and find out why. We're not all just brainwashed sheep that you can dismiss with a wave of your hand.
"Don't you think it's causing these ailments?" No. My wife has suffered from bladder infections from the time she started menstruating as a young girl. Her father had a "good" job with "great" insurance. That was considered a good thing in the 70s and her mother was frequently running her to the doctor for antibiotics. I can't blame her mother because excess antibiotic use being detrimental was not widely known, and I certainly can't blame my 12 year old wife. She had problems with it for 25 years, and the pain was often debilitating during her pregnancies, before we discovered DMSO and its near miraculous help. Thank God you never had to go through what my wife did.
I use DMSO for sore muscles. I'm 60 years old and still climb ladders with heavy equipment every day. I seriously doubt you could physically do what I do in a day. And at the end of the day, I'm sore. DMSO makes it vanish. Would you rather have me gulping down Percocet? I guarantee that if you are doing at 60 what I'm doing, you'll be sore.
I'm glad for you that your health is perfect. Not everyone's is. And you will need reading glasses when you get older. Over 80% of people need them by their mid 40s. I'm in the small minority who don't.
I've never gotten queezy, although it does taste horrible. I've never taken more than 30 ml internally and I really have no clue how much I use externally. I just slather some on to the affected area.
I mixed up bottles w tequila and took a big swig...got dizzy n spacey for a day or so on lite way but survived about a shot glass worths..been afraid since to try it...I'd say safer at proper dose then 90-97 percent of meds is the people's voice on it.. I'd take it badly injured or maybe for stroke,etc
I'm going to create a stroke formula to carry around .you have to treat a stroke within minutes preferably,couple hours max or largely too late,veggy time!
Ok, I'm not going to argue with you. You close your eyes as hard as you want. As long as you don't push to take away my ability to get DMSO, we're good. Take care and I wish you all the best.
How old are you? I am wary of dogmatism and I can almost hear your fist slamming on the table. Also, it has invariably been my experience that people who apply ludicrous extensions to arguments (DMSO-tapping) seldom have much interest in garnering truth. I am not saying you are wrong; just that I do not trust you.
What a wonderful contribution! I had no idea that traces of DMSO are in some produce! That information should have been included in this article, and the author should have responded to your comment.
The fact that DMSO exists in nature and isn't just a synthetic byproduct cannot be understated. This fact removes 90% of the vilification in this article's content.
Here's not only a great functional response to DMSO, but a generational success showing no effect on male or female fertility. BAM!
What has been your estimated frequency of use over the years? And how do you use it? A dab of Mg and a smaller dab of DMSO? Very interested to know. Thank you.
I started using DMSO in my late 30s; I'm now 60. I've taken it internally as well as used it externally. My wife is prone to bladder infections (maybe from having 11 children? I don't really know why.) She uses it internally whenever she gets a bladder infection, along with d- mannose and methylene blue, and it always resolves quickly. Externally we both use it frequently, several times a week. I put magnesium chloride crystals in distilled water and heat to melt, then just jar it. I really couldn't tell you an amount I use. I just rub some on sore muscles, let it soak in, and then apply some (a blob about the size of a 3-4 marbles maybe?) Dmso gel and rub that in. I always carry a tub of DMSO gel in my work van. Once I fell off a ladder and sprained my ankle. I immediately put some on my ankle. I have a picture and you can see purple bruising at my toes and further up my leg, with a band of normal looking skin around my ankle with no bruising apparent. I credit my internal use of DMSO with eliminating my presbyopia, although that was a side benefit and not what I was taking it for. At 60, I can read the smallest print with no reading glasses.
You'd garner more support for your general theory on toxins if you'd grant small,well measured doses of toxins work to do more harm then good in both short and long term as if you don't well survive the short term..long term is less likely to occur at all,again in operation procedures or even low dose semi weekly in case of non operational joints,other..absolutism laws of theory in medicine generally fail in most areas and thus are not respected even by laymen who see..in short..suggest discouraging continued use on regular basis where toxic accrewal more likely to back your too much long term damage hypothesis..in short term by testimonials your at over 97 % failure rate...ie working with no fast or midterm obvious side EFFECTS beating out 98% + of drugs in both categories...so many easier targets out there Med girl!!
Why not do a top 20 of most toxic sleeper common drugs like nsaid's or chemo drugs or antacids or statins or blood pressure or most freaking drugs chems by 90% + where blanket statements work better on mid to long term damages or even short term and more sufferings averted with concise top 6+ side effects( often the main freaking effects,ha!).Respect your gist,but best exceptions don't make good targets to hang your ghost on ever,exceptions to most everything...that said I accept your hypothesis that Major of regulat DMSO medium to light users will be overcome in time with side effects that could be said to overcome benefits but even in that small subcategory theoretically only..not backed by testimonials...that said I agree on one point: How can a substance that crosses all barriers not end up doing massive damage: UNKNOWN,TRULY A EXCEPTION TO LOGICAL BIO RULES TO THE MAJORITY, EXPLANATION WHY NOT DOING MASSIVE INSTANT HARM MUST LIE IN UNKNOWN FACTORS TO MOST US ALL OF COURSE!!
Now that suggests to me widespread and generalistic knowledge and, dare I say it, practicality. I am nearly 82 but still do hard labour in landscaping and either work or die. So I am interested in balanced viewpoints. eg I have read very convincing evidence by highly qualified medicos that black salve has been scientifically proved to not work and is in fact dangerous. Photos of a poor victim whose nose was eaten away by this dangerous substance are convincing. Yet I know these are paid liars. I have used black salve for more than a decade and removed more than 40 skin cancers, including clinically diagnosed squamous cell carcinomas. Prior to using it I surveyed more than 100 users/observers of users so, obviously, I am cautious, skeptical, and cynical. It is possible DMSO caused me to lose an eye, or perhaps it was the driving in tropical sunshine for fifty years aggravated by PC radiation and 100 days of Ivermectin. I will continue to listen and learn. Proof is essentially an illusion because we never know if we have all the information.
Well I researched it before I tried it, but you gotta place your bet while the wheel's still spinning, so I gave it a go. I'm not a doctor and not recommending it, just relating my experience. I'm sorry about your eye. What makes you think DMSO was the culprit?
That was a tentative conclusion having only read the first few entries. There are lots of other suspects, including ivermectin and a signal enhancer for the internet. However, I am now back to being friends with DMSO. LOL. Call it reactionism or just me being feebleminded.
First let's familiarize ourselves with DMSO and its reported affects upon the body.
DMSO is classified as an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever drug which is marketed as a dietary supplement. It is also available by prescription as a pharmaceutical drug.
It has recently been promoted in the natural health and alternative health communities as a supplement. It’s purported uses include treatments for:
Headache
Painful Bladder Syndrome
Shingles
Rheumatoid arthritis
Eye problems
Scars
Scleroderma (disease that causes scar tissue to form in the skin)
And an alternative Cancer Treatment
According to WebMD the most frequent side effects from using DMSO on the skin include:
Stomach upset
Skin irritation
Strong odor of garlic
Using DMSO by mouth can cause:
Dizziness
Drowsiness
Nausea
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Constipation
Decreased appetite
More serious side effects include:
Severe allergic reactions
Headaches
Itching and burning when applied to the skin
DMSO can also be lethal to humans when used in high concentrations.
Now let’s look from a terrain perspective. Does this product trigger any expulsion symptoms in any humans?
Keep in mind that the more toxic our bodies become the less energy they have for expelling toxins. We look at humans as a whole; One individual may not get an expulsion symptom if their system lacks the vitality to expel toxins. However if some humans are reporting these expulsion symptoms then we can know that the substance is toxic to humans.
Looking at the list of side effects we see nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and decreased appetite. These are all expulsion symptoms. Expulsion symptoms tell us that the human body sees DMSO as a threat. This is a strong indication DMSO is harmful to our health.
Another thing to consider from the Terrain model perspective: What is the supposed benefit of the medicine or treatment?
DMSO is being marketed as a treatment for headaches, irritated bladder, rashes, shingles, inflammation, rheumatoid arthritis, eye problems, and scarring of tissues. Treatments are generally harmful to the body because the symptoms exist to promote the healing process; either to aid in the expulsion of toxic materials or in an attempt to create protections against them. This is why we refer to them as “expulsion symptoms” and are often part of a healing crisis.
The body also attempts to protect itself through the creation of inflammation, swelling, and formation of scar tissues or tumors to encapsulate the toxic chemistry. When the body lacks the vitality to expel toxins, the body will use other methods to protect the cells from any toxic chemistry which it is unable to expel. This is most often accomplished by bringing water to the area to dilute the acidic chemistry, but may also include the creation of scar tissues or tumors to encapsulate.
Therefore the symptoms DMSO claims to stop are in reality the body’s natural attempts to clean, heal and protect itself from waste which is generating the disease conditions. Not only does DMSO do nothing to remove the cause of the initial disease conditions, it actively interferes with the body's attempts to remove the waste while also adding to the total toxic burden in the body. While DMSO may provide some short term relief from a given symptom in some cases it is not a cure but a mild toxin.
The body itself is in worse condition after DMSO has been ingested. DMSO would not be recommended if a return to health is the goal. As usual, from a Terrain Model perspective, we focus on supporting the body and its natural systems to remove the true cause of disease rather than the application of chemical bandaids and toxic remedies to suppress symptoms. One can never poison the body back to health.
I would contend that a cleansing reaction is happening due to DMSO attacking the different diseases and a die off from THOSE toxins is what is causing the “symptoms”.
That is the psyop... your body expresses symptoms from being poisoned but you believe in the fantasy storyline that it’s because it’s attacking diseases lol where do these diseases lie in your body dormant waiting to be attacked by poison and is it heat seeking missile that attacks just the disease and not the rest of your body?
Hmm. Interesting rebuttal. I do not consider testimonials “fantasy or snake oil con jobs”. But that’s just me. Agreeing to disagree. Peace to you and knowledge in our search for truth.
You couldn’t make it more obvious that you’re a Shill …but my goodness the absolute extreme that you’ve gone to in your tirade to discredit DMSO is astonishing, including your replies to some of your commenters.
Many people received the gift of walking and movement some suicidal who weathered the toxicitys after DMSO was applied to knees or feet or injured shoulders etc in low rubbed on dose where poisoning aspects were low, physical abilities regained critical to getting back on feet and out of worse toxic situations like hospitals or loss of home if they didn't pay rent in weeks...yes toxic substances can kick start a series of physical events that outweigh toxin damage temporary...
I haven't tried it but videos indicate a 1/8 thtspn is enough to cover an elbow,twice that a knee,very little to penetrate and aid joints.Warren Miller the ski movie guy said prior DMSO they'd spray wd40 on knees that were toast onto ski racers for better longer performance which contained DMSO until they switched to DMSO later..No major problems,careers made...
By going to far Girl you lose the opportunity to pinpoint the toxic max /day for avg person either by skin absorption or orally which should be pushed by someone who cares as you'll never influence it's stop as med but there should be evidence of maximum relatively safe poisoning vs symptoms helped that are surely lacking w DMSO...
We all know of drugs like anastetics orpain drugs that are very fast acting that allow operations that do save lives or pain reductions that stop shock n save lives...So you can poison people back to health and recovery,happ
For years, I have recommended that people who are considering a medication, type in the name of the medication followed by 'lawsuits' to quickly get to the other side of the coin in a 'just the facts ma'am' way. Saves reading thousands of articles. I just did a beginning dive into DMSO lawsuits. There are none...nada. Histrionics on this topic are loud, but don't prove anything except that you have a strong opinion. I don't think you can run roughshod over so many experienced users in this thread.
Histrionics on this topic are loud, but don't prove anything except that you have a strong opinion. I don't think you can run roughshod over so many experienced users in this thread.
DMSO worked really well for me. I had very bad arthritis in my hip, and my muscles were extremely tight. I put DMSO on my hip, my thigh and my lower back. The muscles loosened up almost immediately and I could move my hip and I exercise my hip, much more. The strength is still coming back to the muscles in my upper leg and my hip. I never would’ve recovered some flexibility without the DMSO. I haven’t used the DMSO for about six months, because it is a medicine that worked for me. DMSO actually healed my injuries, and an injury is healed. I do not need the medicine any longer.
I soaked mugwart, artemisin(cowboy sage), black sage in some DMSO; it's been sitting around for a couple of moons; this thread reminded me of how good DMSO worked on my hip, so I tried it on my sore shoulder (been sleeping on it the wrong way?). Wow, it worked. So great to have this DMSO/Sage/Artemisinan/Mugwhort tincture in my medicine cabinet!
I use it in combo with things like Arnica Tincture and literally can stop a blood blister when a finger is slammed between 2 pieces of steel within about 15 minutes. I would like to see how the terrain method deals with this kind of thing. lol
I had exactly the same experience. I was rather skeptical and started using it on a severely arthritic hip without any expectations. Less than a month later I have my life back! My background was in research and mainstream medicine, but currently I'm much more open to a broader range of treatments. We've thrown away a lot of wisdom of the ancients in favor of prescription pads. A closed mind learns nothing...
Good point. Many variables in a man’s life. However it worked overnight and I hadn’t done anything else differently. I get the psychological aspect of physical pain, but this loosened up tight muscles that had been tight for some years.
I reiterate. Proof is an illusion and can be an actual obstacle to survival. It works for lawyers, yet how many of us like or respect lawyers? "Convincing evidence" is more reliable.
Just because something is a by-product or waste doesn't necessarily mean it has no value or beneficial use. Even poison can be helpful in very small amounts. I have used DMSO topically for years with no observed side effects. It works especially well with pain relieving gels and lotion as it gets the pain relief into the affected area quickly and deeply. DMSO speeds the destruction of damaged or destroyed cells so that new, replacement cells can quickly make a "repair". As with any medicine or drug, the best advise is to use it only when needed and sparingly.
DMSO, like Ivermectin, a horse liniment and a horse dewormer, are shunned by both Big Pharma and naturalists. What a shame because both drugs have done an enormous amount of good for us 2 legged creatures. See A Midwestern Doctor's recent substack series on DMSO.
Exactly so. Just like methylene blue (which I have used for two years) and chlorine dioxide. There are lots of studies and happy users supporting these synthetic products. But of course, if you swear to reject all synthetic stuff because they are 'waste products', then you're free to do so.
But DMSO occurs naturally in apples, oats, and other produce, as stated by Agent 1-4-0:
"DMSO is naturally occurring in small quantities in many fruits and vegetables. It has been found in asparagus, barley, beans, beets, cabbage, corn cucumbers, oats, onions, tomatoes, apples, coffee and tea. DMS is released in huge quantities by phytoplankton, which is then oxidized in the atmosphere into DMSO. It is present in the soil as well. You have some in your body whether you want to or not."
The fact that this was left out of the article and the author never commented on it makes me minimize the author's conclusions.
How can you be sure that industrial 'DMSO' and the stuff allegedly found in trees are the same thing? 'Vitamin C' is supposedly found in oranges but that's never been proven and yet some people take 'vitamin c' pills that has never seen an orange or any fruit for that matter and claim that it 'works'
You reckon? Four years ago I was felling trees in a remote part of a tropical wilderness when a broken branch sprung back unexpectedly and speared my thigh. After I plucked it out, I put a tissue on the hole and taped it with duct tape. Three days later back in town, I had a shower, bandaged it and left it for a week. It is now just a white patch on my skin. Not stupid. Just a normal part of bush life. Salient is the fact that I never eat processed foods, eat raw red capsicum and natural foods.
We have gotten to the point where the vilification of a product and nothing but positive testimonials causes one to try it, rather than suffer in pain.
There’s always sources of pieces of paper that will tell you that slathering chemicals, taking otc drugs , popping pharmaceuticals is healthy for you. I’ve come to the conclusion through research and using my God-given wisdom, instinct, and intelligence to determine you cannot poison the body back to health. Simply remove the toxins and the poisons and let the body do what it does best, heal itself. I hear a lot of people touting miracle cures for using solvents-that it takes away their pain, the problem with that is and everyone should realize-You should not have pain that you need remedies for year after year after year that means you’re causing the pain and using a temporary Band-Aid to relieve pain, all of my remedies will work within a few days to a few weeks at the most because I don’t interfere with mother nature or God’s medicine
Keep in mind I’m not selling anything unlike the doctors that are telling you to take their brand of snake oil through affiliate links or private labels Supplements or slather waste solvents on your body.
What’s right is wrong with up is down everything is so inverted. I don’t make any money when you go buy kale and dandelion greens, lay out in the sunshine and drink pure spring water but these vultures make an unconscionable amount of money telling you to take poison.
Suspect claims denoting a superiority complex: "my intelligence".
False claims: "God's medicine". One billion may agree on the identity of this manufacturer, but seven billion humans may not. As a believer in nothing, I am one. Actually, your claim confirms to me, personally, that you lack intelligence and rely on beliefs (not picking a fight with all you Christians; you are welcome, just don't evangelise).
In the 1st study you cited he authors injected DMSO into the eyes of rats. I'm pretty sure this is not one of the ways that Amandha recommends people use DMSO.
The title of the 3rd study cited speaks for itself: "Efficient long-term cryopreservation of pluripotent stem cells at-80 degrees"
The 4th publication is a review, not primary research. Reviews can be very misleading, hence there are many reviews insisting that water fluoridation is safe and effective. (HFSA, the industrial waste fluoride acid, eats through concrete and requires special containers b/c it's so powerful it eats through parking lots when spilled.)
5th publication is another review. Nothing I've looked at so far contains valid scientific evidence that DMSO when used as suggested by Amandha is harmful, nor is the fact the paper industry damages the environment.
I've been using caster oil with a drop or 2 of DMSO in it everyday lately on my feet. Callouses that I'd had for years suddenly peeled off easily after max 1 week of use. My feet are now nice and soft too (compared to what they were), better than they have been in years. I also used it on a stubborn issue on my forehead that had persisted for about a year, and within a couple of days it started disappearing. I will continue using it (but won't be injecting it into anyone's eyes).
I want to offer my personal experience with DMSO as a cure for early skin cancer.
I had a wound on the back of my head the size of a dime that didn't heal for a year. After trying all the natural remedies (aloe, oils, etc.) I felt it may be cancerous. I had studied how to use DMSO and what it can and can't do and just as I suspected, after applying it just a few times, the wound that was acting like skin cancer had healed within a week.
I tried it 3 other times on areas of sun damage that were showing up as cancer (face & chest, about the size of a pea), and again, within a few weeks, the spots healed with no skin damage.
I can't say DMSO is a panacea, but it heals cancer and why not try it in place of getting cancerous or pre-cancerous areas cut out leaving scars.
To get to the truth, we have to test the product ourselves, instead of deciding based on any one person's take on it.
This "agent" is definitely a psych op who is paid by the cabal. Reposting him or giving him any credit at all is playing into the hands of the Cabal. Read his posts carefully.
Dr. Yoho, how exactly do you know who this "agent" is paid by? Curious minds would like to know. I don't know how recommending nourishing food, grounding, spirituality and avoiding all synthetics whether pharmaceutical or otherwise qualifies one as a psyop. I get it, there are many chaos agents out there (as Crawford affectionally describes), but this one seems a stretch. I personally practice mind, body (primarily through nutrition), and spirit as approaches to helping my patients find their healing path. It simply seems that synthetics serve as another futile journey towards the discovery of one's health. God bless, and I do enjoy much of what you have published btw.
Well said, and amazing to have a comment from somebody that obviously thinks for themselves and has something I call horse sense, or common sense or the ability to reason and use logic
The fever pitch is a dead giveaway! The medicine girl’s passion is not a healthy passion. Thank you to debra robinson,bo andersonand agentt1-4-9, for their living experience. To asley p cunningham for looking at those references and i wonder why nobody mentioned we the peoples excellent list of references. Thank you we the people!
The 1st on the list is this; https://www.targetfreedomusa.com/health-freedom/dmso-dimethyl-sulfoxide-research-for-cancer-treatment/ From it a quote; "Short for Dimethyl Sulfoxide, DMSO is a 100% natural substance....." 100% natural? Are your spidey senses tingling? Mine are! Let's look at the orthodox of orthodoxy wikipedia; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfoxide A wiki quote;.... "Dimethyl sulfoxide was first synthesized in 1866 by the Russian scientist Alexander Zaytsev, who reported his findings in 1867.[7] Its modern use as an industrial solvent began through popularization by Thor Smedslund at the Stepan Chemical Company.[8] Dimethyl sulfoxide is produced industrially from dimethyl sulfide, a by-product of the Kraft process, by oxidation with oxygen or nitrogen dioxide.[9]" Wiki list their sources, [8] is an industrial chemists' autobiography, https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/gergel_isopropyl_bromide.pdf [9] is behind a paywall but it's yet more industrial chemistry https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14356007.a25_487 Due diligence is needed, anyways I learned summat whilst working on this post, (beware incoming wiki quote) "DMSO is used in polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to inhibit secondary structures in the DNA template or the DNA primers. It is added to the PCR mix before reacting, where it interferes with the self-complementarity of the DNA, minimizing interfering reactions" Ahh, good ole PCR! The test that isn't a test that is used to test for diseases!
OK Andy...What concerns you in any of the links I provided?
"Adverse Reactions of Dimethyl Sulfoxide in Humans: A Systematic Review".
Conclusions:
"DMSO may cause a variety of adverse reactions that are mostly transient and mild. The dose of DMSO plays an important role in the occurrence of adverse reactions. DMSO seems to be safe to use in small doses."
I'm not sure whether your list of links is pro or anti DMSO, as there wasn't any preamble in your post.
Due to comments like that one above from Michael I presumed pro, therefore I highlighted some "anti" DMSO from the links provided, it's, as you state in another comment, "critical thinking". "Adverse reactions" & "safe in small doses" is not alarming to me, it's expected but it might make others who see your links & want to use DMSO think & then read up on the subject.
Pirate Studebakers comment states "you can use poison to heal", I disagree & pointed out venom in milk isn't "healing". Am interested in any examples (not anecdotal) of using poison to heal.
Homeopathy is an example of using poison to heal (arsenic, Bella Donna). I’m certainly not an expert and I’m not interested in arguing, but you asked for an example, take from it what you will.
Actually, this may not be a good example. Homeopathy operates with such small amounts of the 'poison' as to there being no molecule of it present in the final 'remedy'. While it is widely touted as being 'like heals like', and that healing probably occurs as a result of the 'poison' 'imprinting' its essence upon solution, the reality is that if we accept Homeopathy is efficacious (and not everyone accepts this) and that if we accept there is no physical presence of the 'poison' left in the solution, then we find ourselves in the energetic and/or spiritual realm. And surely, when enter the energetic and/or spiritual realm and leave the physical realm, we can no longer make our 'physical' assumptions that the 'poison did it.'
Actually homeopathy operates on placebo effect and sugar pills not saying they don’t put their little poisons into it but the premise is wrong that somehow these tiny particles can cause illness and disease
Like I said, not an “expert”, I just know that some remedies start with a poison. I know that Homeopaths believe that the dilution and shaking process imbues the water with the “essence” or “memory” of the original substance. This process may not actually be outside the physical realm since there are studies that support the idea that there is a fourth phase of water. Dr. Gerald Pollack is a bioengineer and expert in water, and his findings suggest that water in this fourth phase can retain information about its interactions with solutes, including biological molecules. This idea is often referred to as “water memory” or “structured water.” If this is the case, then we have not really entered the spiritual realm at all, but rather a realm in which our understanding of the process is just incomplete.
There are plenty of natural substances and plants that are potentially deadly toxic, depending on how they are used, and potential great aids in healing on the same token. Take poke root. Something I have used on myself and others with great results. But I would never go out and dig up the root and take a bite of it.
I agree that poison will never directly heal. However, it may contribute to healing if it is more toxic to the condition/pathogen than to the body. In DMSO case it seems to dissolve lesionous tissue, which may allow the body to then rebuild new tissue. this ould explain the many claims of MSK benefit. This same action may also dissolve pathogenic biofilms, which then allow the immune system to see and eliminate the pathogen, which could expalin any number of other claimed benefits.
"I'm not sure whether your list of links is pro or anti DMSO, as there wasn't any preamble in your post."
And therein lies a problem.....not sure you see it and not sure I can make you see it?
"Due to comments like that one above from Michael I presumed pro, therefore I highlighted some "anti" DMSO from the links provided, it's, as you state in another comment, "critical thinking". "Adverse reactions" & "safe in small doses" is not alarming to me, it's expected but it might make others who see your links & want to use DMSO think & then read up on the subject."
So it's important for your decision making on DMSO safety to put me in a camp.....?
Am I pro use or against? On your team or the other...?
If you want to critically think about DMSO use. Let's start by looking at the study. Not at what camp the information or opinion is coming from.
Thanks for your honest concern. My MO has been listening to other peoples stories that my path has and will meet with. I like reading testimonies and often i feel that they are gratefully sharing and not trying to control. i experiment with myself and learn. To me life is all about personal responsibility and i thrive. Im saddened by so many peoples loss when they hand over their gift to some greedy orginization
Thankyou for taking my post in the spirit it was intended.
Comments in this thread (advocating the use of DMSO) from Agent1-4-9 et al are purely anecdotal.
I encourage the use of discernment, skepticism & evidence to support claims.
This is (IMHO) WW3, a war unlike any before, a war for minds, a war fought with information & the general population are in the trenches, assailed with a barrage of information.
I’ve used DMSO for many years and it’s saved me from many painful and unpleasant situations. I’m not sure what your motive is but you are absolutely unaware of the many benefits of using DMSO. I’ve known people who used it in very dilute doses in their eyes and it dissolved their cataracts. I have the vast experience to say DMSO is not harmful or I would be dead. I’m very healthy and DMSO helped me heal many issues.
EDUCATION IS KEY: One of the books to read on DMSO with many medical trials and results in is The Persecuted Drug: The Story of DMSO by Pat McGrady SR it is available on archive dot org for all to read for free. Another reference book on DMSO is The DMSO Handbook for Doctors - Archie H Scott. People need to be informed fully. I have used DMSO for many years and many times it has literally saved me from having to going near the big harma crew. Responsible usage and knowing the medium one is dealing with is paramount before usage as with anything especially when they are their own MD. Many of us have done so for many years and will continue to do so. In the first book I mentioned it shows just how the FDA would not let it be approved, research and read before taking notice of a hit piece done by someone who was educated in the ways of big pharma and works or worked within the big harma industry who seems to have no alternatives mentioned which is really sad.
I would like to see some remedies or alternatives that can be used instead of using DMSO. Also thank you for bringing DMSO to the forefront for many as they will now research it. Job well done.
I’ve been using magnesium oil, but now that I’m doing a deep dive into all vitamins and supplements. I’m not sure that I can recommend it until I do further research. I feel horrible as I was rubbing DMSO and magnesium oil on my son’s calves, which would get so tight fromwalking when he was younger. Waking up is not easy when I have to look back on how I harmed my son slathering, toxic chemicals on him, trusting the books and pieces of paper instead of my gut instinct.
Most probably one hell of a lot worse was done to him by jabs if he had the schedule it's like OMG. I would be looking there first before worrying about things like DMSO and magnesium chloride which is what they call magnesium oil which of course is not an oil. His calves would have most likely needed the magnesium chloride because he was growing rapidly and the body needs magnesium when the tendons and muscles are being stretched to accommodate the fast bone growth. I can remember my brother grew 10 inches in one year when he was growing up, the pain and suffering he went through was horrific back in the day. If only we knew about magnesium chloride flakes back then. All we had was magnesium sulfate hitting the market place as Epsom Salts and we didn't know much, this was way before the internet back in 1982. DMSO, Magnesium Chloride, plus MMS and CDS and Colloidal Silver 3600ppm are the main go to basics in my shit hits the fan medical kit. The main thing is one has to know how to use these items and what to use them for. DMSO is not always used there is a time and a place and it's transdermal use to get things into places where we need the most effectiveness is paramount when used in combination with herbal tinctures and poultices. It is literally a game changer when one has the know how. Oh and not all magnesium chlorides are the same, it depends on where they came from. One really needs a Certificate of Analysis on the raw product. It is best to make one's own magnesium spray aka oil as it is known by many. It can itch like crazy too so this comes once again back to strength of the product, ie volume of magnesium flakes to water. If it itches then add more water to it. A bit like bathing in the ocean and leaving salty water to dry on the body then get back in again and do it a few times and don't shower. See just how dry and itchy the skin can become because it does.
It would appear this post has caused some division. I keep circling back to see if any of the comment conversations have evolved into furthering the discussion. Mostly we have 2 camps. Those who have (some beneficial) experience with the product (and support its use) and those who are against using industrial waste for any 'desired effects'. I pose some questions to try and step back and see the forest through the dense trees...
1) In the article, one thing that really stands out to me is the pattern recognition. We know from 'Agent's' (and others) thorough research into supplement/vitamin/fortification processes that this $$$ industry evolved from other industry having a waste/chemical disposal problem. They turned a potential cost into a profit by repackaging hazardous garbage as medical miracles for sale. So, if you might be skeptical about ingesting ascorbic acid ("C") or cholecalciferol ("D3")- both synthetic poison/garbage- why would you give DMSO a hall pass? Is there some special exception to the playbook with DMSO that I am missing?
2) Are people using DMSO to "heal" or to manage symptoms? For example, one might actually experience DMSO "working" if it were to suppress certain uncomfortable symptoms. But we know from 'Terrain' that this is not a root cause protocol. We also know that symptom management follows the playbook of a failed medical industrial complex and usually results in a can being kicked down the road. I'm all for feeling a little better and functioning, but should we be looking at potential problems (some maybe not even recognized by regular users) of prolonged dosing of industrial garbage? Anyone can find papers and articles saying how awesome any product in the world is. Once you patent the synthetic, you buy some "science" (marketing), and you publish it. I doubt any of it is worth a shit.
3) Does anyone think our bodies, designed so miraculously, have just been begging for paper mill chemical byproducts because - somewhere along the way - we just started falling short in these amazing lab synthetics, that come in a chemical drum and you have to wear protective gear to be around? I'm not following the logic here. Maybe someone can enlighten me to the train of thought.
I think where your argument falters is that there is no regular dosing of DMSO needed to treat certain conditions (you don't have to keep using it because it does its job the first time) and I would argue that that is the definition of healing versus suppressing symptoms. It heals the root of the issue by detoxifying and restructuring cell damage.
Our bodies are not craving byproducts, but through human ingenuity, we are able to extract highly potent doses of something our body naturally creates (sulphur) to harness its potency and use it in a targeted manner. No different than extracting Vitamin C as a 'byproduct' from fruit.
I read several comments where readers use the product regularly and over long spans of time. I'm sure there are various applications with context required.
"It heals the root of the issue by detoxifying and restructuring cell damage."
Can you provide any source material substantiating this positive claim that I could review?
"No different than extracting Vitamin C as a 'byproduct' from fruit."
I'm not sure this analogy will hold up with me. I have been trying to find the foundational papers of 'vitamine' isolation and discovery without any luck. All you get are famous names, nobel prizes (red flag), and theories on so-called "deficiences" with only animal study abstracts. Best I can tell- without getting into all the hairy details- is that what are called vitamins- were another story that so-called scientists came up with to explain what they couldn't see (sound familiar- hello virologists?). When the chemists took over the game, they needed to make themselves relevant. Try to find a method section of a vitamin isolation paper...maybe it's me, but I can't find them or get access.
That said, I do believe that foods have vital micronutrients in them. I am coming to suspect that man has once again tried to outsmart Mother Nature in believing he can pull one micronutrient (say "Vitamin C") out and away from all the others in the symphony, grind it into a pill, and have it do the same as if one just ingested the orange. And we now know that 90% of bottled supps/vits are just industrial lab synthetics whose only similarity to anything found in a food is a chemical formulation match. They don't represent anything found in nature.
Can you tell me how you extract vitamin c from a fruit? Why not just eat it? How do you know what you are extracting is the good stuff?
I would like to see how similar it is to a paper mill with industrial waste disposal issues.
As you know, DMSO is not a money-maker, so it does not have the studies of pharmaceutical companies because they can't make money off it. In fact, their studies purposely fear-monger people away from it and direct them to drugs that do profit.
That said, it has been in use in hospitals and on animals for a very long time.
Instead of pouring over the experiences of others, and looking to the 'scientists' in charge <<I will never trust them again after Convid - just try experimenting with DMSO for yourself if you feel so inclined.
All I can offer is that after researching it, including but not limited to Amandha's book, and learning how it works (in the simplest terms: providing sulphur, which the body is composed of), I knew it would work for me - and it did. Quickly and permanently. It heals skin cancer! No surgery, no lasers. That's the only reason I'm taking the time to type on this thread. I want to help other people.
I can't attest that it does everything else because I haven't tried. I do know people who use it as a carrier to treat horse injuries. And you can tell it functions as a carrier because you can taste sulphur immediately after applying it. That's how you know how deeply penetrating this product is.
There is no way to safely extract something without destroying the synergy and frequency of the original
Medicine. Which is why I have one rule never interfere with God’s medicine or never interfere with mother nature it will always have disastrous results.. at first it seems you can hack into the natural world and find the active ingredient and make that into an easy to swallow pill or to slather on your skin
Doesn’t anyone else find it alarming that it crosses the blood brain barrier so quickly and easily?
When I was learning how to become vegan, I learned about how you can take supplements, but there is nothing to guarantee the body will absorb them, so I generally rely on food as my medicine, but I still experiment with vitamin supplements. Whatever is being extracted (it's good to challenge this!) does generally have effects, most of which are bad in my opinion (eg. B12)
In terms of how vitamins are produced, I agree - anything done the traditional science way is usually too much, using chemicals that disrupt the effect.
Especially when it comes to concoctions with animal products.
I do know a naturopath who healed her cancer with high doses of intravenous Vitamin C and was told she would never be able to have children, then did.
One thing DMSO can do is act as a carrier for other elements (be it supplements, products, or foods), so that may increase their absorption.
I found yet another use for DMSO last night. After getting a filling at the dentist that side of my throat began stinging at night, probably from a mix of the trauma and debris from the drill and chemicals used in the filling and freezing. I tried a lozenge and it did nothing. I applied some DMSO to my throat and a few drops internally to the gland and it the pain immediately subsided and woke up without a sore throat.
Thank you. Everyone's story is unique. What works this time may not work next time. What did not help before may help in the future. What helps one person may harm another. Guessing & gambling, that's all we've ever been doing.
Personal testimonials are golden, and sometimes hilarious when you hear about what ridiculous remedy someone tried and found beneficial. People use things as remedies that so-called science swears could never be helpful and could in fact be harmful. I mean, look at homeopathy >> by all rights it should not be helpful and yet plenty of people swear it helped them -- and what good does it do any of us to poo-poo what people claimed helped them?
I bought Amanda's book about DMSO a couple of years ago and I don't like it. I don't like that DMSO is a by-product of a chemical process used to make paper. It may very well exist in Nature, and that's how I would prefer to try it >> sourced from Nature and not some manufacturing plant associated with the New York Times.
Actually, I don't want to try it at all. I am not curious about trying remedies. I let my issues or problems run their course. I starve them to death through neglecting to do anything about them. It usually works. Time alone heals my maladies, and when it doesn't, THEN I reach for a remedy -- search for a natural one first and if I can't find one, I'll use a synthetic.
I once suffered from all-food-based hives. 16 years of breaking out in hives for 45 minutes every time I ate ANYTHING. Eventually I ended up going to a dermatologist and she prescribed fexofenadine (Allegra) and by god, after about 9 months of the fexo, the food-based hives never came back. She said they don't understand hives and only know how to suppress them. I never suffered any side effects from the fexofenadine and no new illness or symptoms arose from suppressing the hives.
I'd like to clarify that my use of DMSO was after a year+ of research. Trying it was not based on guessing and gambling but based on pattern recognition of many people's perspectives - I track them, then compare them and analyze that data.
I have never found anyone's solutions "hilarious".
I do think many people want immediate, solid answers about their health, which leads them to block out new ways of thinking, such as terrain theory.
I only use it in the case of injury or over exertion of muscles (magnesium chloride with dmso) or trauma, bruising or potential clots due to intensive bruising or in the case of bronchial issues of which I would have used it maybe once in the past 12mths and that was 1 drop of full strength DMSO in a nebulizer, the rest was sterile water. It's all about usage and dosage and the solution strength of DMSO. Never is it used at full strength, it is the responsibility of the user to research and understand the medium they are using.
I know of someone personally who I helped that used Magnesium Chloride spray and DMSO in the spray extensively on their hip because it was the only thing that could give them relief. The person was on the waiting list for a hip replacement for many years, ie gov health care. Once the elderly man got in for surgery they said we simply do not know how you ever put up with the pain of this. It is the worst case of a person needing a hip replacement that we have ever seen. He didn't take pain killers, instead he found a way to help himself while patiently waiting.
I appreciate Farmer Pete’s comments and will take understanding this down to the simplest route. You cannot poison the body back to Health. everyone’s reliance on their religion of research papers and their false gods telling him how wonderful this product is like drinking urine or injecting ozone.
I as mentioned in the article bought DMSO put it in my products. Put it on my son’s calf muscles with absolutely no help whatsoever and I made it significantly worse in the long run. Why do you think you can taste DMSO instantly on your tongue the second you put it on your skin because it’s a solvent and it’s gone systemic. It is an industrial solvent. It removes paint and glue.
Those that like it uses as a religion, as a security blanket or as their binky, don’t take away peoples Binky or their claws come out
Agent131711 and I were discussing this, and he brilliantly said what if you can get the same results from sunlight regenerative grown high nutrient food, springwater, and rest? We all know that in our hearts, that’s exactly what we can do not slather industrial waste products on our skin because we read a book that says it was good and want to believe in the next miracle cure.
Remember, we don’t have a control. There isn’t an identical twin that gets to go without the treatment I know in my heart that there would not be a difference except for placebo.
I hesitate to wade into this one, but I'll share my experiences. I grew up in Washington 50 mi from a pulp plant. There were days we were warned to stay inside. One day as I stood waiting for the school bus, my nylons literally melted off my legs, so I am in full support of the toxic claims. Many yrs later, working as a Thai massage therapist, I had several patients who were jockeys. They tend to be incredibly intelligent regarding their bodies. They told me about DMSO and how they used it on their horses after a race to facilitate recovery. That led to them using it on themselves. I was gifted with it several times. But I never used it. My initial research brought up the solvent issues, etc. that are described here. I remembered it was popular with the natural supplement community 20 yrs ago. It seemed suspect to me just the same. It wasn't until I worked with an informed wholistic physician that took the time to educate and demonstrate the proper use of DMSO that I began to use it. He took an old farmer with a lifetime of aches and pains, applied magnesium chloride gel all over and then took a cotton ball dipped into DMSO and dabbed it over the injured areas and tight muscle attachments. He then put the patient in a hyperbaric chamber. The chamber pressure plus the DMSO took the magnesium (#1 remedy of the old docs) to the bone. One treatment removed decades of chronic pain. Then I did the same protocol with stunning results. I still treat it as a powerful solvent and use sparingly...a couple of times a year. I learned of its discovery in a different way. Namely, that a night watchman at a pulp plant noticed deer coming to munch on the piles of refuse each evening. The plant chemist heard about it and made his own observation. It was only the elderly deer and they only munched on one of the 3 piles. Intrigued and knowing that animals have innate wisdom, he studied and tested and was led to the discovery of DMSO. The FDA permits the infusion of it into women's bladder tissues when chronic infections leave the tissue raw and extremely painful. I can't think of any tissue more vulnerable, but this powerful 'solvent' resolves it in one treatment. I've seen it in many of my elderly patients. So for those who are hesitant to dab it on an external injury, that is a consideration. Would I use it internally? No...Would I label it the miracle cure for any and every thing? That is a red flag to me. I think there is a reasoned middle-ground approach.
LOL we know how safe the FDA is. I have worked for 35 years in the medical industrial complex and have seen the ways the poison people with their approved drugs from statins to NSAIDs, to Tylenol, causing dementia, renal damage and liver failure respectively
Curious...what did you do in those 35 yrs? You obviously took your living from it... Did you administer any of those drugs?
Never!
Check my background all my licenses are public record. I have nothing to hide. I was outspoken against a pharmaceutical industry and psychotropic medication‘s 30 years ago. That’s why I got into nursing I thought sincerely that it was just the mental health field. They were poisoning and trying to harm patients when I got my license as a nurse I was heartbroken to realize it’s Everything including the functional medicine, doctors homeopath and naturopath they adopted the allopathic model of Medicine so they can rake in the money
I worked in psychiatric hospitals with patients. The nurses administered drugs. I was a psych tech so I took blood pressure and sat with the patients, eased their suffering made themLaugh, talk to them like normal human beings. I had an award from Dr. Ron Remick when I was working at Lake whatcom residential treatment center in Bellingham, Washington the patient on my caseload did the best in terms of leaving the facility and living on their own independently. I was in the top five case managers in Washington state because I empowered them loved them treated them like human beings and helped them get off of their psychotropic medication.
As a registered nurse and Hospice I go into patients educate them on the dangers of pharmaceutical drugs, handout pamphlets from Weston Price foundation about the truth about cholesterol and talk to their doctors about getting them off of medication so I’m in alignment with what I do and get a lot of pushback.
After saying that, why are you attacking someone that’s trying to educate you so that you’re not duped and tricked into poisoning yourself.
In the private sector and peoples homes, I get more love and respect and kindness from people you call sheep that are in the matrix then here unopposed freedom channels I get attacked for trying to explain that you’re being tricked into slathering and taking poison from pieces of paper and doctors who make an unconscionable amount of money from your ignorance clicking on their affiliate links and taking their private label supplements which they don’t even take
Ok...thanks. I think the short answer is that you were not qualified to hand out meds. Good that you did your best to work around the issues in your way. There is an element of biting that hand that fed you.
What makes you so sure that you are the only one that cared for these patients? That these doctors didn't ache for them and for the limited means and failings of the help they offer?
More importantly...how is it that you hold yourself as an authority in this arena? Your positions are too shallow and hasty, shrill and combative.
I lived in Eli Lilly's backyard for a time. I met some fascinating old people who scoured the woods and fields for plants that they sold to Lilly. Those plants were cleaned, dried, ground into powder and encapsulated. It made me look closer into how medicines are derived. Later when I was in the botanicals business, I found myself in a bidding war with a major drug company for uva ursi leaf after Chernobyl. "What do they want it for?" I fumed. They needed it for a similar simple formulation for a blood pressure med. It/they are not all evil, greedy monsters to broadly demonize. Like everything in life, it's a mixed bag.
Have you ever had an anesthetic for dental work? Is someone wrong for using a surgical anesthetic?
Careful who you call 'ignorant'...
I was given Pitocin and several epidurals during my pregnancy with my first daughter, and they almost killed me and her. She went into fetal distress and I had severe head and backaches for 2 years and in my 2nd pregnancy which was 2 years later. I gave birth to my next three daughters with no MD, no drugs, no trauma to me or my babies.
What an incredible experience Myriam.... Leaves me breathless... Thank God you and your baby emerged from it...hopefully both healthy at this point. Powerful learning experiences that you, no doubt, are turning into medicine for others now!! How wonderful and affirming your next decisions!! Thank you so much for sharing....
All Functional Medicine MDs or practitioners are not the same. I practice Functional Nutrition from the functional medicine model and help people achieve true health. I am not an MD.
Do you prescribe supplements and treat symptoms? Not saying you are all the same, but you business model is the same as the allopathic, the more the patient needs to come and see you or get blood, hair, fecal, urine tested or take your private label supplements the more profit you make. It is understood that it is still a sick based model. I don't think anyone should have to see a practitioner after 10 sessions tops. More like 6-8 and they have taken the baton and are running with their own power to heal their own bodies, with everything they need within them. No one should tell someone what to put into their bodies, especailly nutrition, your are interrruption their own intuition. And if they are drinking soda, alcohol, junk food, address the addictions and their diet cleans itself up
My 2 cents
I recommend an anti-inflammatory diet and lifestyle. They don’t come to see me 10 times and I’ve had great results with people. I nutritionally counsel them and recommend a few supplements which help the organs to function optimally. I teach them about detoxifying the body, balancing hormones with diet and lifestyle, optimizing brain and moods. I put my heart and soul into my clients and I’ve had excellent results. I don’t run any of the functional medicine tests.
One of my Yoga clients just hired me to help her and her son with their Nutrition. They had absolutely no idea how toxic our food supply is. I am an educator and my job is to teach people and then they need to do the work.
I’m a retired RN and DMSO and chlorine dioxide are 2 of my most reliable resources in my arsenal. I have been functional again after contracting chronic Lyme disease with absolutely zero treatments. The combination of these 2 took me from deaths door and I’m able to do almost everything before my body couldn’t fight anymore. There isn’t anything anyone could tell me that would have me believe anything other than that, when used appropriately, this combination is miraculous.
I like you am functional due to DMSO.
its poison, fyi, buy go ahead and slather yourself with industrial waste. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.
What a great testimony! Severe Lyme is a devastating disease and very few recover from it. How refreshing to hear of a proper use and an amazing response!
As with everything, there is a risk:benefit ratio. You have successfully attained huge benefit with minimal risk.
The thing speaks for itself: You got your miracle cure, and others can potentially do the same.
Perhaps you could be so kind as to tell us your recipe. Thank you!
But...the FDA is the one who aggressively attacked DMSO. So it's a good thing?
These dmso testimonials are birthed from the heart of the people being cured,too act as if that's not occuring in record droves by thousands of testimonials puts you in league w any deception seen on substance..There emotional,most satisfied results at 99 percent is unbeatable,castor oil running perhaps second at 90 percent good to great results.
You have 1 valid criticism strong,it's one more if thousands of toxic solutions that damage environment in manufacturing ..fine ..we agree to stop using it once they get rid of say 80 percent+ of other ones that do no good at all,deal fair ,rational enuff? Of course..
Other semi correct criticism is overdose can destroy tissue or bone.. testimonials indicate even heavy use is not as it's traveling so fast from one zone to full elimination so usual dangers this substance just dodges at 99 percent..but as a caution I recommend 2 days in max,3 days off,not more then 10 days a month and try to reduce to lowest effectual dose
I love how you weave the story to include animal benefits, and how you just had to hear the right brand of snake oil salesmanship to believe using an industrial chemical on your body is good for you
Just my experience... No need to insult. Many things in nature have broad applications. There are many paradoxes in nature and much we all still have to learn. When you study medicine systems around the world (and I do have lots of experience on the ground), especially in the poorer countries, "What works works." An unprejudiced mind is essential...continually open to learn and revise. I happen to respect my experience. I am medicine and illness free after some horrendous challenges. Ease up...
Not insulting at all I’m just saying you cannot poison. The body back to health and that people are using it or on their animals is no justification for its benefits. They poison animals, the same way they poison humans to keep the herd sick, weak and dependent.
They lie to you about everything you think they’re going to give you some thing that actually heals your body? They trick you into slathering poison on yourself, taking vitamins and supplements, which are equally toxic. Instead of allowing your body to get plenty of sunlight on Bears skin, living, springwater, and healthy nutritious, living foods, and wild hunted game. But again I don’t have that toxic waste to sell back to unsuspecting public. I am just one woman who is sick of seeing people being tricked into poisoning themselves after decades of it self and poisoning my son with vitamin D3 I’m done. My back is up and I’m ready for a fight stop telling people to poison themselves. Drink a gallon of this crap if he wants take a bath in it but stop singing the praises like it’s actually benefiting you. Do you know your reproductive health? Do you know your human potential when you’re not poisoned in anyway? Do you know what your intuition is like when you’re not slatheringDMSO all over your body that gets into your blood brain barrier and stops you from realizing your potential? Do you know this calcifies your body? Specifically your pineal gland? Reid over any of the studies that I’ve included in the references section and this is mainstream matrix studies telling you how dangerous this crap is.
You can use poison to heal. It's been done successfully for centuries.
Ancient cultures put tiny amounts of poisonous snake venom in baby's milk in areas with poisonous snakes to create an immunity in their children and it worked. Much like how Mongoose became immune to snake venom. By taking it in.
Okay.
Terrific example!
Virtually any plant, depending on how you use it, can be made into a medicine or a poison.
There is no such thing proven as immune system in humans, animals and plants. Your or someone's beliefs do not prove it either.
Homeopathy is based on this principal !
Hear! Hear! Myriam!! Also the amazing discovery of Willard Water from an industrial ball-bearing cleaner which has healed people, animals and helped to grow healthy and large sized vegetables, might also be considered a poison. But it’s not.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ojW802yW2RY
Pirate, can you give me a link to the practice of putting venom in babies milk? Am genuinely interested.
But this isn't an example of using poison to "heal", putting venom in a babies milk could build a tolerance (as regular alcohol consumption builds a tolerance) to ingested venom (which isn't necessarily a poison) whether that could give immunity to venom injected via a snake bite, hmmm?🤔
That's not "using poison to heal." It's forcing the body to adjust its priorities to focus on handling snake venom. Might be a good idea if you know you'll get a snake bite, just like building a tolerance to alcohol could be a good idea if you know you'll have to participate in a bender with business partners, but no one would be confused that this is an example of "using alcohol to heal."
I think of the Homeopathy when it comes to using 'poisons' to facilitate healing. Thanks!
Ok, so you've swung hard from one side to the other. Like a patient that goes from taking one handful of meds to 2 handfuls of supplements and then on to the next extreme. This is more a function of your personality than a laying down of truth. I am happy for your discoveries, but you are quite the extremist here. I spoke in terms of caution and moderation and this is your response?!
Med Girl,Im with you and agent on alot not all...however calcification is one we agree on ie vitamin D and calcium =rat poison,etc...
Theory: calcification of arteries by synthetic vitamins,mainly D and calcium and synthetic drugs and chems number one cause of death in USA elderly! Agree!?
Evidence synthetic calcium is manufactured to act similar to asbestos and digs into veins walls,especially when pushed by vit D hormone effect on it.This creates wall abrasions and dryness,then penetrations by coarse edged calcium particles creating near scaffolding that grabs onto cholesterols forming plaque..but always begins with white calcium edges,and then turns yellow,brown plaque and cholesterol gets the blame although many honest surgeons declare it's the CALCIUM..So a conspiracy hiding synthetic calcium as culprit #1,blaming cholesterol,selling statins etc..
Can you have Agent and you deep dive it..all the white chalky veined cadaver photos
removed from internet in last 2 years,just brown plaque one now,mainly signs of mass cover up of synthetic calcium being biggest chemical killer! Should be tons of subplots for you and Agent to uncover..Heart disease by plaque biggest killer,but CALCIFICATION adds to a dozen plus more diseases..This wasn't happening before synthetic calcium added to our food,vitamins,milk.Big sleeper story...innocent healthy calcium vitamin biggest killer ever!!
Via a CT scan, I was diagnosed with a "carotid artery dissection" on Feb 28, 2025.
They have taken a "wait-and-see" approach, putting me on a baby aspirin until a follow-up CT scan scheduled 3 months later (July 3rd), to check the status.
(In addition to the baby aspirin, I was also on a prescription blood-thinner for about 4 weeks after the Feb 28th diagnosis. They took me off that at the end of March).
I had been taken D3 supplements for several years, with D3 testing in the 50-60 range, and I had been quite pleased with these results.
Providentially (thank God), after the diagnosis on Feb 28th, I stopped ALL supplements, because I did not know what kind of effect they might have with the two blood thinners they had put me on.
Somewhere in this time period I came across these substack articles criticizing D3 supplementation, and I have never re-started them.
I am now waiting for the July 3rd CT follow-up, and came across your comment.
MY GOD.
Is this what happened to me? D3 supplementation caused the carotid artery dissection?
It surely fits with your comment.
Well, I will remain off D3 supplementation, and see what happens July 3rd, the good Lord willing.
I am hoping and praying that the body rectifies itself and the CT scan comes back normal; and perhaps, being off the D3 all this time may be the key.
Anyway, thank you for this comment. Much food for thought.
I'm not certain that very low d3 combined w k2 and magnesium might be better then full off on 3..Ie your body's accustomed to having minerals ripped from bones including calcium and cholesterol sulfate from skin potensized by sun to have good effects...why vit D has strong positive side as our food is mineral ie bioavailable types,non synthetic, depleted .Id consider 300-800 a day but only w K2 and mag same times..make sure no k1 involved as that's a coagulator..option is maybe sea moss has best spectrum mineral rep now,avoid minerals from Utah or China ie polluted too much several, fluoride overload Utah..
Consider,chelating calcification out with pectin,food grade only mixed w lecethin..they use this combo to cure horses of ulcers and discovered it cleanses arteries, especially brain calcifications, alzheimer's.take 3 tbsns raw coconut oil day ie break into 1.5 twice day, hawthorn oil or pills,co q 10 150 mg twice day,top grade,low on additives,get off statins ,all drugs if any..no pain drugs,switch to natural aspirin ie white willow,less caustic,better..low dose 2x day, turmeric,curcumin 900 mg day,2 dose 450,don't go above 4 mg piperine as overloads kidneys( don't take other pills within hour of turmeric ie easy on kidneys..break up all pills by 40 min minimum..avoid green tea extract entirely.. sea salt no Utah in water ie 1/4 tsp plus 1/4 tsp baking soda to raise pH and bind toxins..activated coconut charcoal 2 pills once a week or if feel ill w baking soda 1/4 tspn will pull out excess bacteria etc fast,better inside 2 hours also acid reflux.. report back if helped
As for DMSO..I'm undecided..I need to read more testimonials to decide if DMSO is rigged be bad guys...so far it looks good even though as a toxic solvent it shouldn't logically..
I suspect reason is most DMSO is made from pine tree like turpentine also super toxic in theory by chemical analysis comparable ..but made from pine usually..
I suspect pines chemicals are surviving distillation and processing or it's frequencies are surviving as ultra healing ie pine tree is famous for acting as an antenna to broadcast earths shuman resonance..many cancer drugs from pine tree suppressed or delivered without the mix used in original studies or big pharma doesn't want to cure their big money maker cuz evil elites n culling too..So DMSO, turpentine etc mysterys..likely real good stuff ..but research different DMSO makers,dodge china..make sure pine and report back here please if ya like..
The way she worded her response is dismissive and insulting to your comment that includes much more than the "weaving of animal benefits" and "right brand of snake oil salesmanship". You gave years of experience in detail.
Hey, Medicine Girl, ahem...have you ever used DMSO yourself or know anyone who has personally? Or is this just a reactive post to an email you don't like?
Does everyone need to agree with you? Or are there other valid points of view in the world? Curious...
I’m using DMSO directly on one of my knees and have had no negative effects, only relief. I’ve read incredible testimonials on it also. I’ve been on a holistic health path for 46 years now, since age 19.
Do you know what DMSO exactly does to your knee?
It’s impossible to say what slathering and industrial solvent that is a biohazard to marine life and kills land animals insects etc making it an herbicide insecticide rodenticide… it will definitely erode your cartilage and tox your synovial fluid for starters….
Do you? I’m honestly curious to know.
Well said...Thanks.
My thought also.....
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Thank you Debra, your comment is extremely useful to me ❤️ A fair ,balanced one,with personal experience thrown in.Best Wishes Helen.
Thanks for sharing!
you're most welcome...
I read through to the end but I'll reply to you here..
I agree with both your experience and your perceptions, they're congruent with mine. I appreciate your measured tone as well.
Thanks Hugh...Curious about your experience, if you care to share...Best, Debra
Now I’m also using a DMSO face cream and it’s amazing!!
Thank you Debra. Sigh. I better chuck that bottle out.
I let people believe what they want to believe, but I will say this: Dr. Stanley Jacob was my ex-wife's step-father, I worked with him for several years, primarily doing extensive research (reading 1000's of published studies) and writing a business plan for a DMSO-centric pharmaceutical enterprise (orphan drug status, severe closed head injuries, blah blah).
There may be 3 people in the US who know more about DMSO and it's history than I do. At most.
Some of this "scare piece" is accurate, most is off by a wide margin.
It's primarily aimed at the simple minded, from my view.
Carry on.
If anyone takes the time to scroll thru the titles of the so called "studies " he cited, MAYBE A HAND FULL out of all listed pertaining to DMSO. And just by the title of the study it doesn't seem to prove a negative effects, but the rest all are a bunch of crap, related to famine etc in pregnancy. He's writing this to SCARE THE CRAP out of people who are smart enough to check for themselves. They just BLINDLY BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY'RE TOLD/ READ WITHOUT FIRST CHECKING THE FACTS.
How is it a scare tactic to say you don't want an industrial solvent inside your body that crosses the blood brain barrier. As far as I know we aren't born with a DMSO deficiency. This is a dangerous poison that doesn't belong in your body, unless you want to sterilize yourself or your children. The reference section is for everything written and the articles I included, which I should have taken some of them out, but so what. Just do more digging. The information is there. But those with alleged high IQ''s (meaning the government hunts schools for you with high INDOCTRINATION Quotient, not actual intelligence) are the ones that fall for the snake oil scams the most, you guys believe anything that a pharma funded peer reviewed article says. That's how they get you. Those of us with actual intelligence don't need further evidence: if something is a byproduct of industrial waste, it is poison, and if it kills aquatic life, sterilizes humans, and crosses the blood brain barrier I am not getting near it. Those of you indoctrinated by the higher education system will slather poison on yourself, your children because the piece of paper told you it was ok.
First I want to say someone needs to represent pure mother nature without much or any noticeable compromise and Medicigjne Girl fills that void for us online health researchers.
She gives us all better bearings on where we should be or shoot for in a utopian ideal huh as there adding thousands of chemicals every year at last check a decade ago and that jneeds to stop regardless of so called benefits and cuz most aren't properlly studied , especially for new chemicals produced when mixed in environment and our bodies...
That said DMSO is far from a top FRAUDELENT chemical despite it's amazingly dicey beginnings background that Girl explains fine, it rolls more winners and healing testimonials stories then 95% of the drugs or chemicals out there with least spoken of side effects easily, although the risk of this chemical is in the long-term ie 5 to 39 years as too late for connections to be made so could well be too harmful but no proof and it's serious side effects rate is as low as it gets nearly otherwise.
Further it does things no other chemical can do in many ways for multiple ailments as testimonials show everywhere.
Med.Girl did cite some areas of side effects but could have done much better,citing some of the specific studies and multiple cases of harm to back her case,have to give her a substantial low grade on showing clearly there is a risk ,roll of the dice w DMSO more then advocates admit ie article far too short there... and real case stronger then she showed... sterility evidence should have been cited for example among others if your going to take on holistic favorite bit toxic chemical that's not in fact made from pine trees(but turpentine is,how's that compare Girl as 2nd most favorite toxic chemical,better or worse!?)
Resting on natural laurels it polluted environment and rather benign criticisms when we have a over a thousand worse chemicals killing us and world while DMSO is actually largely working with less overall damage then 90 percent of chems will win very few over to agree DMSO should be shelved off our list of goto's for healing in moderate amounts.
Still I'm glad shes there doing no compromise thing cuz thats where God's spirit is with the chems and we need to get there but until we're alot closer I think we should reserve a few percent of those chemicals like DMSO and then kick em all to the non curb cuz no cars either and then frolic like in the sound of music non stop!
That said I don't like it's fast full penetration of body and would only risk it in urgency.. but I do wonder if it could be used to improve recent magnet nanotech clearing like with Jsinton@ substack...I suspect pulling nano into toxic metal pools and then right thru sides of veins so dust gathers on magnet big time and blood apparently clears under microscope is way more risky then DMSO but maybe necessary if we're gonna make it much longer,what do you think there Med Girl/ Agent 1317111!? Biggest elephant in room right now with white calamari clots at 25% of us according to about a hundred coroner's or is that misinfo? What about a third of people showing microscopy live blood cell analysis blood that's not moving anymore just lumped layered masses of 1/4 size collapsed blood cells we can't believe are real..but are they!?. Are we shutting down are collective mindbfilters there,as too negative to face!? If true how are we alive! without adequate oxygen,iron process?Energy system replacement? Supernatural quantum aspects to nano and blood happening now,ferget Old chemical issues already, immediate emergency in our blood and future prospects there without solutions quick!..Wish youd brilliant get Agent friend on it to save our asses and get off this relatively piddly hippy natural girl quest for awhile even though I love you for it,I'm an old hippy organic dude from way back, haha!
You're right. I looked at a couple listed that aren't related to dmso at all.
The use of all caps makes you look crazy though.
Check the fax this crosses the blood brain barrier instantly goes systemic instantly and is an industrial solvent that dissolves glue and other chemicals
Not something you want to put on your body
Unless you have a therapeutic that doesn't cross the blood brain barrier (which not much does -- it's called a barrier for a reason) and getting the therapeutic to cross the blood brain barrier will result in healing... like with glioblastoma. But, hey. You can trash the potential DMSO benefits if you want.
Yes and I personally know two people who's lives have been saved after both being told they had weeks to live. Using DMSO and THC. I've had a torn ligaments that have healed in days and many other successful outcomes.
How do you know that DMSO healed you and them and not your and their beliefs or something else?
MDs have no clue how long someone will exactly live.
There is no such barrier proven. But there is likely some filter based on a size of particles size and perhaps a charge state of particles.
Still some artificially created chemicals may be beneficial for health in some situations. But it is really hard to prove without proper monitoring of vital variables and without reference material for optimal health state.
these are all considered advantages in an anti-inflammatory btw
even the industrial applications.. where would we be without having ethanol to clean surgical tools "where there is no pressure steamer"?
I would love to get your feedback on the series I've put together and corrections on anything I missed or was inaccurate.
I rather be simple minded than be poisoned.
Suit yourself. I've seen it do miracles.
When does the poison kick in, btw? I've been using it for 30+ years, I'm in my 60s & off the charts healthy. Stan was about 90 when he died, sharp as a tack, and he was a walking DMSO crystal.
Read the "agent's" work to judge if you need to
which parts are "off by a wide margin" ??
we can't do your homework for you
Happy to do the homework myself, but why not help readers understand your point by laying out some details or pointing us in the right direction so we can go dig? That would be helpful for readers, instead of just a vague statement or glittering generality.
If you have specific things that you believe are "off by a wide margin," why not state them for discussion?
Also, who is this collective "we" that you're referring to? I only see a "you" making these claims, not a "we" ...
What a lame dodge.
Bo Anderson made a claim without providing any rationale or evidence. It's up to him to defend the claim, not anyone else.
I’d sure love to hear more of your perspective on this medicine. It’s been miraculous for my pain and I was literally suicidal because of it so don’t have much to lose. There are two ways of learning, one is direct experience and the other is choosing to believe other people — the latter is far less reliable. People that shitpost about stuff they have no direct experience with are not worth listening to most of the time.
Response is overwhelming positive,but all has side effects..what yoo look out for w DMSO? I'm guessing lathering on daily could disolve tissue of most minerals etc and delaminate tendons or effect bone connections etc causing tear increase.whay else?
Guessing most problems can be dodged by not using to heavy and not more then few days on,few off , similar to castor oil ie rumours oil can build up too much if don't take breaks.
Other concern is blood or brain poisoning by drawing in other toxins on skin or elsewhere in body to wrong places to fast for body to detox or you can taste DMSO inside a minute on toungue wherever you put it!..anyway what's top 5 negative list on DMSO?
Do you feel pine tree source and healing rep is part of how DMSO is healing ie allegedly pine trees act as an antenna for healing shuman frequency and have healing vibes most powerful ie many pine tree ,bark cancer cures..
It has no negative effect on human tissue.
If you're made of petroleum products, don't use it.
I have read some studies and a couple of books that are overwhelmingly positive towards DMSO. Interesting you have a different take. All that being said, I used to follow Amanda Vohlmer on social media and stopped doing so when she started posting Holocaust denial propaganda.
I see a cleaner healthier world and bodies if we stop 95 percent chemical manufacture and s9ave 5 percent...I'd save DMSO In top 30 of most effective chem meds..dump 95 percent of meds too please organic hippys and God too and save world..chems are the real global warming,etc and they blame us! We never asked to add thousands of chems,only a few hundred elites w devil worship backgrounds pushed that and destroyed our world and biomass nearly!We all need to become like Med girl but DMSO stays till last 5 percent shelved and we're frolicking in the Alps like Julie Andrews and anti Nazi kids 24/7!! Ha!
Thank you for your information.I have just used DMSO to get rid of a continuously occurring Myxoid Cyst.It has gone and the nail deformity has healed.Several burns have healed quickly without pain and no scarring.I am totally new to this at 74 and living in the UK.I have been thinking it’s the best thing I have ever found, but need to know the downsides.
Please can you recommend a book that has a balanced viewpoint of the good and bad .I would much appreciate it.
Best Wishes Helen.
I've used DMSO for decades, as has my wife. Lol, we have 11 children, so I don't think it has caused infertility problems. My adult children use it as well, and I have 24 grandchildren and counting.
It's fine to say that inflammation is the body's natural healing mode, but I have a family to support and work in the construction industry. I need to be able to move, carry ladders, equipment, etc. I wish I had time to lay around and let my body heal at its own pace, but I'd starve first. Magnesium chloride and DMSO are fantastic for sore muscles.
DMSO is naturally occurring in small quantities in many fruits and vegetables. It has been found in asparagus, barley, beans, beets, cabbage, corn cucumbers, oats, onions, tomatoes, apples, coffee and tea. DMS is released in huge quantities by phytoplankton, which is then oxidized in the atmosphere into DMSO. It is present in the soil as well. You have some in your body whether you want to or not.
I can’t remember the last time I walked out into the forest on my daily hikes and found a bottle of DMO tapped from a tree. It’s ludicrous to say it’s naturally occurring in nature go to a papermill factory and see how they extract this toxic chemical that everyone seems to love, which baffles me still Here’s the thing that so bizarre you claim you’re using it for all of these ailments don’t you think it’s causing these ailments?? bladder infections and constant problems that you’re treating? I don’t have anything that needs treating Read that again. I don’t have UTIs. I don’t have any medical issues whatsoever I have perfect eyesight, my hair is full natural color. I don’t have wrinkles or sagging skin or age spots. I don’t have anything that needs treating therefore if you’re using DMSO over the decades, somethings wrong.
I'm still getting feedback on my comment so I decided to reply to your rebuttal for the people who are seeking information.
"I can't remember seeing DMSO tapped from a tree." I never made such a claim. What I said was that DMSO occurs in nature. Phytoplankton make large quantities of DMS which is then oxidized into DMSO in the atmosphere. It falls to the ground with the rain and is absorbed into the soil. Many plants uptake it from the soil. The odds of you having no DMSO in your body are basically zero. I will list the science if you care to discuss, instead of the silly strawman argument you posted.
"It baffles me that everyone seems to love this chemical." This is admitting your ignorance. Nothing wrong with being ignorant, we all are on many things. But it should spur you to talk honestly with people who love DMSO and find out why. We're not all just brainwashed sheep that you can dismiss with a wave of your hand.
"Don't you think it's causing these ailments?" No. My wife has suffered from bladder infections from the time she started menstruating as a young girl. Her father had a "good" job with "great" insurance. That was considered a good thing in the 70s and her mother was frequently running her to the doctor for antibiotics. I can't blame her mother because excess antibiotic use being detrimental was not widely known, and I certainly can't blame my 12 year old wife. She had problems with it for 25 years, and the pain was often debilitating during her pregnancies, before we discovered DMSO and its near miraculous help. Thank God you never had to go through what my wife did.
I use DMSO for sore muscles. I'm 60 years old and still climb ladders with heavy equipment every day. I seriously doubt you could physically do what I do in a day. And at the end of the day, I'm sore. DMSO makes it vanish. Would you rather have me gulping down Percocet? I guarantee that if you are doing at 60 what I'm doing, you'll be sore.
I'm glad for you that your health is perfect. Not everyone's is. And you will need reading glasses when you get older. Over 80% of people need them by their mid 40s. I'm in the small minority who don't.
How much DMSO do you use at a time,do you max it at say a tbspn orally or topically?ever do too much n get queesy?
I've never gotten queezy, although it does taste horrible. I've never taken more than 30 ml internally and I really have no clue how much I use externally. I just slather some on to the affected area.
I mixed up bottles w tequila and took a big swig...got dizzy n spacey for a day or so on lite way but survived about a shot glass worths..been afraid since to try it...I'd say safer at proper dose then 90-97 percent of meds is the people's voice on it.. I'd take it badly injured or maybe for stroke,etc
I'm going to create a stroke formula to carry around .you have to treat a stroke within minutes preferably,couple hours max or largely too late,veggy time!
Haha, you did grab the tequila bottle? A big swig would give you a buzz too. Start small and try 5ml mixed in with 5ml water.
LOL
Not sure if you're laughing with me or at me. 🤣
...with...
Ok, I'm not going to argue with you. You close your eyes as hard as you want. As long as you don't push to take away my ability to get DMSO, we're good. Take care and I wish you all the best.
How old are you? I am wary of dogmatism and I can almost hear your fist slamming on the table. Also, it has invariably been my experience that people who apply ludicrous extensions to arguments (DMSO-tapping) seldom have much interest in garnering truth. I am not saying you are wrong; just that I do not trust you.
I have lost track of the adversaries, but my opprobrium targets the condemner of DMSO, and not Agent etc.
What a wonderful contribution! I had no idea that traces of DMSO are in some produce! That information should have been included in this article, and the author should have responded to your comment.
The fact that DMSO exists in nature and isn't just a synthetic byproduct cannot be understated. This fact removes 90% of the vilification in this article's content.
Here's not only a great functional response to DMSO, but a generational success showing no effect on male or female fertility. BAM!
What has been your estimated frequency of use over the years? And how do you use it? A dab of Mg and a smaller dab of DMSO? Very interested to know. Thank you.
I started using DMSO in my late 30s; I'm now 60. I've taken it internally as well as used it externally. My wife is prone to bladder infections (maybe from having 11 children? I don't really know why.) She uses it internally whenever she gets a bladder infection, along with d- mannose and methylene blue, and it always resolves quickly. Externally we both use it frequently, several times a week. I put magnesium chloride crystals in distilled water and heat to melt, then just jar it. I really couldn't tell you an amount I use. I just rub some on sore muscles, let it soak in, and then apply some (a blob about the size of a 3-4 marbles maybe?) Dmso gel and rub that in. I always carry a tub of DMSO gel in my work van. Once I fell off a ladder and sprained my ankle. I immediately put some on my ankle. I have a picture and you can see purple bruising at my toes and further up my leg, with a band of normal looking skin around my ankle with no bruising apparent. I credit my internal use of DMSO with eliminating my presbyopia, although that was a side benefit and not what I was taking it for. At 60, I can read the smallest print with no reading glasses.
Yes like many things you might call unnatural are found in nature.
And, conversely, some lethally toxic natural substances.
Have you ever seen a natural version marketed? Any ideas on making it thru natural sources so less toxic so we can keep our med girl happier with us?!
The weird thing to mean is people
claim they use it for decades? Why do you need a drug for decades?. You body didn't heal, so you need to keep
slathering it on becasue it works temporarily and the same issue arrises. Just like allopathic and
functiinal medicine. You slowly erode your health with toxic chemicals creating issues that you believe need drugs for.
So obvious to me
You'd garner more support for your general theory on toxins if you'd grant small,well measured doses of toxins work to do more harm then good in both short and long term as if you don't well survive the short term..long term is less likely to occur at all,again in operation procedures or even low dose semi weekly in case of non operational joints,other..absolutism laws of theory in medicine generally fail in most areas and thus are not respected even by laymen who see..in short..suggest discouraging continued use on regular basis where toxic accrewal more likely to back your too much long term damage hypothesis..in short term by testimonials your at over 97 % failure rate...ie working with no fast or midterm obvious side EFFECTS beating out 98% + of drugs in both categories...so many easier targets out there Med girl!!
Why not do a top 20 of most toxic sleeper common drugs like nsaid's or chemo drugs or antacids or statins or blood pressure or most freaking drugs chems by 90% + where blanket statements work better on mid to long term damages or even short term and more sufferings averted with concise top 6+ side effects( often the main freaking effects,ha!).Respect your gist,but best exceptions don't make good targets to hang your ghost on ever,exceptions to most everything...that said I accept your hypothesis that Major of regulat DMSO medium to light users will be overcome in time with side effects that could be said to overcome benefits but even in that small subcategory theoretically only..not backed by testimonials...that said I agree on one point: How can a substance that crosses all barriers not end up doing massive damage: UNKNOWN,TRULY A EXCEPTION TO LOGICAL BIO RULES TO THE MAJORITY, EXPLANATION WHY NOT DOING MASSIVE INSTANT HARM MUST LIE IN UNKNOWN FACTORS TO MOST US ALL OF COURSE!!
Now that suggests to me widespread and generalistic knowledge and, dare I say it, practicality. I am nearly 82 but still do hard labour in landscaping and either work or die. So I am interested in balanced viewpoints. eg I have read very convincing evidence by highly qualified medicos that black salve has been scientifically proved to not work and is in fact dangerous. Photos of a poor victim whose nose was eaten away by this dangerous substance are convincing. Yet I know these are paid liars. I have used black salve for more than a decade and removed more than 40 skin cancers, including clinically diagnosed squamous cell carcinomas. Prior to using it I surveyed more than 100 users/observers of users so, obviously, I am cautious, skeptical, and cynical. It is possible DMSO caused me to lose an eye, or perhaps it was the driving in tropical sunshine for fifty years aggravated by PC radiation and 100 days of Ivermectin. I will continue to listen and learn. Proof is essentially an illusion because we never know if we have all the information.
Well I researched it before I tried it, but you gotta place your bet while the wheel's still spinning, so I gave it a go. I'm not a doctor and not recommending it, just relating my experience. I'm sorry about your eye. What makes you think DMSO was the culprit?
That was a tentative conclusion having only read the first few entries. There are lots of other suspects, including ivermectin and a signal enhancer for the internet. However, I am now back to being friends with DMSO. LOL. Call it reactionism or just me being feebleminded.
How about larger doses at play vs smaller majority of time or placement location ie near eyes ever!?
TERRAIN MODEL ON DMSO (Dimythelsulfoxide)
Lauren Whiteman
First let's familiarize ourselves with DMSO and its reported affects upon the body.
DMSO is classified as an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever drug which is marketed as a dietary supplement. It is also available by prescription as a pharmaceutical drug.
It has recently been promoted in the natural health and alternative health communities as a supplement. It’s purported uses include treatments for:
Headache
Painful Bladder Syndrome
Shingles
Rheumatoid arthritis
Eye problems
Scars
Scleroderma (disease that causes scar tissue to form in the skin)
And an alternative Cancer Treatment
According to WebMD the most frequent side effects from using DMSO on the skin include:
Stomach upset
Skin irritation
Strong odor of garlic
Using DMSO by mouth can cause:
Dizziness
Drowsiness
Nausea
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Constipation
Decreased appetite
More serious side effects include:
Severe allergic reactions
Headaches
Itching and burning when applied to the skin
DMSO can also be lethal to humans when used in high concentrations.
Now let’s look from a terrain perspective. Does this product trigger any expulsion symptoms in any humans?
Keep in mind that the more toxic our bodies become the less energy they have for expelling toxins. We look at humans as a whole; One individual may not get an expulsion symptom if their system lacks the vitality to expel toxins. However if some humans are reporting these expulsion symptoms then we can know that the substance is toxic to humans.
Looking at the list of side effects we see nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and decreased appetite. These are all expulsion symptoms. Expulsion symptoms tell us that the human body sees DMSO as a threat. This is a strong indication DMSO is harmful to our health.
Another thing to consider from the Terrain model perspective: What is the supposed benefit of the medicine or treatment?
DMSO is being marketed as a treatment for headaches, irritated bladder, rashes, shingles, inflammation, rheumatoid arthritis, eye problems, and scarring of tissues. Treatments are generally harmful to the body because the symptoms exist to promote the healing process; either to aid in the expulsion of toxic materials or in an attempt to create protections against them. This is why we refer to them as “expulsion symptoms” and are often part of a healing crisis.
The body also attempts to protect itself through the creation of inflammation, swelling, and formation of scar tissues or tumors to encapsulate the toxic chemistry. When the body lacks the vitality to expel toxins, the body will use other methods to protect the cells from any toxic chemistry which it is unable to expel. This is most often accomplished by bringing water to the area to dilute the acidic chemistry, but may also include the creation of scar tissues or tumors to encapsulate.
Therefore the symptoms DMSO claims to stop are in reality the body’s natural attempts to clean, heal and protect itself from waste which is generating the disease conditions. Not only does DMSO do nothing to remove the cause of the initial disease conditions, it actively interferes with the body's attempts to remove the waste while also adding to the total toxic burden in the body. While DMSO may provide some short term relief from a given symptom in some cases it is not a cure but a mild toxin.
The body itself is in worse condition after DMSO has been ingested. DMSO would not be recommended if a return to health is the goal. As usual, from a Terrain Model perspective, we focus on supporting the body and its natural systems to remove the true cause of disease rather than the application of chemical bandaids and toxic remedies to suppress symptoms. One can never poison the body back to health.
I would contend that a cleansing reaction is happening due to DMSO attacking the different diseases and a die off from THOSE toxins is what is causing the “symptoms”.
That is the psyop... your body expresses symptoms from being poisoned but you believe in the fantasy storyline that it’s because it’s attacking diseases lol where do these diseases lie in your body dormant waiting to be attacked by poison and is it heat seeking missile that attacks just the disease and not the rest of your body?
this is nothing short of a snake oil con job
Hmm. Interesting rebuttal. I do not consider testimonials “fantasy or snake oil con jobs”. But that’s just me. Agreeing to disagree. Peace to you and knowledge in our search for truth.
For clarification, I am addressing known, diagnosed disease a person might be dealing with and is recovered using a DMSO protocol.
Touche
List one case where someone died using dmso.
You couldn’t make it more obvious that you’re a Shill …but my goodness the absolute extreme that you’ve gone to in your tirade to discredit DMSO is astonishing, including your replies to some of your commenters.
Ingesting orally should be out agreed..
Many people received the gift of walking and movement some suicidal who weathered the toxicitys after DMSO was applied to knees or feet or injured shoulders etc in low rubbed on dose where poisoning aspects were low, physical abilities regained critical to getting back on feet and out of worse toxic situations like hospitals or loss of home if they didn't pay rent in weeks...yes toxic substances can kick start a series of physical events that outweigh toxin damage temporary...
I haven't tried it but videos indicate a 1/8 thtspn is enough to cover an elbow,twice that a knee,very little to penetrate and aid joints.Warren Miller the ski movie guy said prior DMSO they'd spray wd40 on knees that were toast onto ski racers for better longer performance which contained DMSO until they switched to DMSO later..No major problems,careers made...
By going to far Girl you lose the opportunity to pinpoint the toxic max /day for avg person either by skin absorption or orally which should be pushed by someone who cares as you'll never influence it's stop as med but there should be evidence of maximum relatively safe poisoning vs symptoms helped that are surely lacking w DMSO...
We all know of drugs like anastetics orpain drugs that are very fast acting that allow operations that do save lives or pain reductions that stop shock n save lives...So you can poison people back to health and recovery,happ
For years, I have recommended that people who are considering a medication, type in the name of the medication followed by 'lawsuits' to quickly get to the other side of the coin in a 'just the facts ma'am' way. Saves reading thousands of articles. I just did a beginning dive into DMSO lawsuits. There are none...nada. Histrionics on this topic are loud, but don't prove anything except that you have a strong opinion. I don't think you can run roughshod over so many experienced users in this thread.
Histrionics on this topic are loud, but don't prove anything except that you have a strong opinion. I don't think you can run roughshod over so many experienced users in this thread.
Well said!
💯 % agree.
DMSO worked really well for me. I had very bad arthritis in my hip, and my muscles were extremely tight. I put DMSO on my hip, my thigh and my lower back. The muscles loosened up almost immediately and I could move my hip and I exercise my hip, much more. The strength is still coming back to the muscles in my upper leg and my hip. I never would’ve recovered some flexibility without the DMSO. I haven’t used the DMSO for about six months, because it is a medicine that worked for me. DMSO actually healed my injuries, and an injury is healed. I do not need the medicine any longer.
But this is obviously not 'liked' by medicine girl, who is one of the monomaniacs on this issue.
I soaked mugwart, artemisin(cowboy sage), black sage in some DMSO; it's been sitting around for a couple of moons; this thread reminded me of how good DMSO worked on my hip, so I tried it on my sore shoulder (been sleeping on it the wrong way?). Wow, it worked. So great to have this DMSO/Sage/Artemisinan/Mugwhort tincture in my medicine cabinet!
I use it in combo with things like Arnica Tincture and literally can stop a blood blister when a finger is slammed between 2 pieces of steel within about 15 minutes. I would like to see how the terrain method deals with this kind of thing. lol
I had exactly the same experience. I was rather skeptical and started using it on a severely arthritic hip without any expectations. Less than a month later I have my life back! My background was in research and mainstream medicine, but currently I'm much more open to a broader range of treatments. We've thrown away a lot of wisdom of the ancients in favor of prescription pads. A closed mind learns nothing...
How do you know it was DMSO and not your belief or something else?
Good point. Many variables in a man’s life. However it worked overnight and I hadn’t done anything else differently. I get the psychological aspect of physical pain, but this loosened up tight muscles that had been tight for some years.
What I am saying it does not prove that DMSO did what is claimed about it even if it really did it.
I sense a logician is amongst us.
There is nothing bad with presenting things properly.
But it does prove that DMSO caused no harm.
I reiterate. Proof is an illusion and can be an actual obstacle to survival. It works for lawyers, yet how many of us like or respect lawyers? "Convincing evidence" is more reliable.
Proof is not an obstacle at all. Observed causation is a proof.
Convincing evidence not always represents truth. Thus it is not reliable.
We are talking about reality here which is made of variables and relations between variables.
Just because something is a by-product or waste doesn't necessarily mean it has no value or beneficial use. Even poison can be helpful in very small amounts. I have used DMSO topically for years with no observed side effects. It works especially well with pain relieving gels and lotion as it gets the pain relief into the affected area quickly and deeply. DMSO speeds the destruction of damaged or destroyed cells so that new, replacement cells can quickly make a "repair". As with any medicine or drug, the best advise is to use it only when needed and sparingly.
DMSO, like Ivermectin, a horse liniment and a horse dewormer, are shunned by both Big Pharma and naturalists. What a shame because both drugs have done an enormous amount of good for us 2 legged creatures. See A Midwestern Doctor's recent substack series on DMSO.
Exactly so. Just like methylene blue (which I have used for two years) and chlorine dioxide. There are lots of studies and happy users supporting these synthetic products. But of course, if you swear to reject all synthetic stuff because they are 'waste products', then you're free to do so.
But DMSO occurs naturally in apples, oats, and other produce, as stated by Agent 1-4-0:
"DMSO is naturally occurring in small quantities in many fruits and vegetables. It has been found in asparagus, barley, beans, beets, cabbage, corn cucumbers, oats, onions, tomatoes, apples, coffee and tea. DMS is released in huge quantities by phytoplankton, which is then oxidized in the atmosphere into DMSO. It is present in the soil as well. You have some in your body whether you want to or not."
The fact that this was left out of the article and the author never commented on it makes me minimize the author's conclusions.
Me too. And her replies are more or less attacking than fostering conversation.
How can you be sure that industrial 'DMSO' and the stuff allegedly found in trees are the same thing? 'Vitamin C' is supposedly found in oranges but that's never been proven and yet some people take 'vitamin c' pills that has never seen an orange or any fruit for that matter and claim that it 'works'
That may be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard and I’ve heard a lot of really dumb things
You reckon? Four years ago I was felling trees in a remote part of a tropical wilderness when a broken branch sprung back unexpectedly and speared my thigh. After I plucked it out, I put a tissue on the hole and taped it with duct tape. Three days later back in town, I had a shower, bandaged it and left it for a week. It is now just a white patch on my skin. Not stupid. Just a normal part of bush life. Salient is the fact that I never eat processed foods, eat raw red capsicum and natural foods.
We have gotten to the point where the vilification of a product and nothing but positive testimonials causes one to try it, rather than suffer in pain.
There’s always sources of pieces of paper that will tell you that slathering chemicals, taking otc drugs , popping pharmaceuticals is healthy for you. I’ve come to the conclusion through research and using my God-given wisdom, instinct, and intelligence to determine you cannot poison the body back to health. Simply remove the toxins and the poisons and let the body do what it does best, heal itself. I hear a lot of people touting miracle cures for using solvents-that it takes away their pain, the problem with that is and everyone should realize-You should not have pain that you need remedies for year after year after year that means you’re causing the pain and using a temporary Band-Aid to relieve pain, all of my remedies will work within a few days to a few weeks at the most because I don’t interfere with mother nature or God’s medicine
Keep in mind I’m not selling anything unlike the doctors that are telling you to take their brand of snake oil through affiliate links or private labels Supplements or slather waste solvents on your body.
What’s right is wrong with up is down everything is so inverted. I don’t make any money when you go buy kale and dandelion greens, lay out in the sunshine and drink pure spring water but these vultures make an unconscionable amount of money telling you to take poison.
Conversational red flags:
Emotive subjectivity: 'slathering'
Suspect claims denoting a superiority complex: "my intelligence".
False claims: "God's medicine". One billion may agree on the identity of this manufacturer, but seven billion humans may not. As a believer in nothing, I am one. Actually, your claim confirms to me, personally, that you lack intelligence and rely on beliefs (not picking a fight with all you Christians; you are welcome, just don't evangelise).
EDTA for shifting Nanobots has become a thing.
In the 1st study you cited he authors injected DMSO into the eyes of rats. I'm pretty sure this is not one of the ways that Amandha recommends people use DMSO.
The 2nd study you cited is a lab dish study with cell lines, FBS, etc. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21339255/
The title of the 3rd study cited speaks for itself: "Efficient long-term cryopreservation of pluripotent stem cells at-80 degrees"
The 4th publication is a review, not primary research. Reviews can be very misleading, hence there are many reviews insisting that water fluoridation is safe and effective. (HFSA, the industrial waste fluoride acid, eats through concrete and requires special containers b/c it's so powerful it eats through parking lots when spilled.)
5th publication is another review. Nothing I've looked at so far contains valid scientific evidence that DMSO when used as suggested by Amandha is harmful, nor is the fact the paper industry damages the environment.
I've been using caster oil with a drop or 2 of DMSO in it everyday lately on my feet. Callouses that I'd had for years suddenly peeled off easily after max 1 week of use. My feet are now nice and soft too (compared to what they were), better than they have been in years. I also used it on a stubborn issue on my forehead that had persisted for about a year, and within a couple of days it started disappearing. I will continue using it (but won't be injecting it into anyone's eyes).
I want to offer my personal experience with DMSO as a cure for early skin cancer.
I had a wound on the back of my head the size of a dime that didn't heal for a year. After trying all the natural remedies (aloe, oils, etc.) I felt it may be cancerous. I had studied how to use DMSO and what it can and can't do and just as I suspected, after applying it just a few times, the wound that was acting like skin cancer had healed within a week.
I tried it 3 other times on areas of sun damage that were showing up as cancer (face & chest, about the size of a pea), and again, within a few weeks, the spots healed with no skin damage.
I can't say DMSO is a panacea, but it heals cancer and why not try it in place of getting cancerous or pre-cancerous areas cut out leaving scars.
To get to the truth, we have to test the product ourselves, instead of deciding based on any one person's take on it.
Quite an interesting experience; appreciate your insight and experience.
Regular medicine probably would have cut it out with a knife. Much better to use DMSO, and I am glad it worked for you.
Yes
Why is the sources section such a mess, including many studies seemingly irrelevant to the subject?
The point would be made much stronger if one or two strong studies illustrating the dangers of dmso were highlighted and discussed.
This observation is key.
This "agent" is definitely a psych op who is paid by the cabal. Reposting him or giving him any credit at all is playing into the hands of the Cabal. Read his posts carefully.
Dr. Yoho, how exactly do you know who this "agent" is paid by? Curious minds would like to know. I don't know how recommending nourishing food, grounding, spirituality and avoiding all synthetics whether pharmaceutical or otherwise qualifies one as a psyop. I get it, there are many chaos agents out there (as Crawford affectionally describes), but this one seems a stretch. I personally practice mind, body (primarily through nutrition), and spirit as approaches to helping my patients find their healing path. It simply seems that synthetics serve as another futile journey towards the discovery of one's health. God bless, and I do enjoy much of what you have published btw.
Well said, and amazing to have a comment from somebody that obviously thinks for themselves and has something I call horse sense, or common sense or the ability to reason and use logic
Anyone who speaks in terms like this is not thinking for themselves
Love the logic: "Me good; you bad".
The fever pitch is a dead giveaway! The medicine girl’s passion is not a healthy passion. Thank you to debra robinson,bo andersonand agentt1-4-9, for their living experience. To asley p cunningham for looking at those references and i wonder why nobody mentioned we the peoples excellent list of references. Thank you we the people!
Michael, (or anyone else F.T.M.) have you read any of W.T.P.'s links? This one? "Adverse Reactions of Dimethyl Sulfoxide in Humans: A Systematic Review". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6707402/
The 1st on the list is this; https://www.targetfreedomusa.com/health-freedom/dmso-dimethyl-sulfoxide-research-for-cancer-treatment/ From it a quote; "Short for Dimethyl Sulfoxide, DMSO is a 100% natural substance....." 100% natural? Are your spidey senses tingling? Mine are! Let's look at the orthodox of orthodoxy wikipedia; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfoxide A wiki quote;.... "Dimethyl sulfoxide was first synthesized in 1866 by the Russian scientist Alexander Zaytsev, who reported his findings in 1867.[7] Its modern use as an industrial solvent began through popularization by Thor Smedslund at the Stepan Chemical Company.[8] Dimethyl sulfoxide is produced industrially from dimethyl sulfide, a by-product of the Kraft process, by oxidation with oxygen or nitrogen dioxide.[9]" Wiki list their sources, [8] is an industrial chemists' autobiography, https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/gergel_isopropyl_bromide.pdf [9] is behind a paywall but it's yet more industrial chemistry https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14356007.a25_487 Due diligence is needed, anyways I learned summat whilst working on this post, (beware incoming wiki quote) "DMSO is used in polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to inhibit secondary structures in the DNA template or the DNA primers. It is added to the PCR mix before reacting, where it interferes with the self-complementarity of the DNA, minimizing interfering reactions" Ahh, good ole PCR! The test that isn't a test that is used to test for diseases!
OK Andy...What concerns you in any of the links I provided?
"Adverse Reactions of Dimethyl Sulfoxide in Humans: A Systematic Review".
Conclusions:
"DMSO may cause a variety of adverse reactions that are mostly transient and mild. The dose of DMSO plays an important role in the occurrence of adverse reactions. DMSO seems to be safe to use in small doses."
Is this alarming for you?
Let's take your "concerns" one by one......
Apricot pits and cancer. I think the poison is cyanide
I'm not sure whether your list of links is pro or anti DMSO, as there wasn't any preamble in your post.
Due to comments like that one above from Michael I presumed pro, therefore I highlighted some "anti" DMSO from the links provided, it's, as you state in another comment, "critical thinking". "Adverse reactions" & "safe in small doses" is not alarming to me, it's expected but it might make others who see your links & want to use DMSO think & then read up on the subject.
Pirate Studebakers comment states "you can use poison to heal", I disagree & pointed out venom in milk isn't "healing". Am interested in any examples (not anecdotal) of using poison to heal.
Homeopathy is an example of using poison to heal (arsenic, Bella Donna). I’m certainly not an expert and I’m not interested in arguing, but you asked for an example, take from it what you will.
Actually, this may not be a good example. Homeopathy operates with such small amounts of the 'poison' as to there being no molecule of it present in the final 'remedy'. While it is widely touted as being 'like heals like', and that healing probably occurs as a result of the 'poison' 'imprinting' its essence upon solution, the reality is that if we accept Homeopathy is efficacious (and not everyone accepts this) and that if we accept there is no physical presence of the 'poison' left in the solution, then we find ourselves in the energetic and/or spiritual realm. And surely, when enter the energetic and/or spiritual realm and leave the physical realm, we can no longer make our 'physical' assumptions that the 'poison did it.'
Actually homeopathy operates on placebo effect and sugar pills not saying they don’t put their little poisons into it but the premise is wrong that somehow these tiny particles can cause illness and disease
Like I said, not an “expert”, I just know that some remedies start with a poison. I know that Homeopaths believe that the dilution and shaking process imbues the water with the “essence” or “memory” of the original substance. This process may not actually be outside the physical realm since there are studies that support the idea that there is a fourth phase of water. Dr. Gerald Pollack is a bioengineer and expert in water, and his findings suggest that water in this fourth phase can retain information about its interactions with solutes, including biological molecules. This idea is often referred to as “water memory” or “structured water.” If this is the case, then we have not really entered the spiritual realm at all, but rather a realm in which our understanding of the process is just incomplete.
There are plenty of natural substances and plants that are potentially deadly toxic, depending on how they are used, and potential great aids in healing on the same token. Take poke root. Something I have used on myself and others with great results. But I would never go out and dig up the root and take a bite of it.
I agree that poison will never directly heal. However, it may contribute to healing if it is more toxic to the condition/pathogen than to the body. In DMSO case it seems to dissolve lesionous tissue, which may allow the body to then rebuild new tissue. this ould explain the many claims of MSK benefit. This same action may also dissolve pathogenic biofilms, which then allow the immune system to see and eliminate the pathogen, which could expalin any number of other claimed benefits.
"I'm not sure whether your list of links is pro or anti DMSO, as there wasn't any preamble in your post."
And therein lies a problem.....not sure you see it and not sure I can make you see it?
"Due to comments like that one above from Michael I presumed pro, therefore I highlighted some "anti" DMSO from the links provided, it's, as you state in another comment, "critical thinking". "Adverse reactions" & "safe in small doses" is not alarming to me, it's expected but it might make others who see your links & want to use DMSO think & then read up on the subject."
So it's important for your decision making on DMSO safety to put me in a camp.....?
Am I pro use or against? On your team or the other...?
If you want to critically think about DMSO use. Let's start by looking at the study. Not at what camp the information or opinion is coming from.
I have looked at some of the links in your first post, I've shown others how to critically appraise the links...Au revoir WTP
Oh, the links I provided have led you to believe that DMSO is not a problem to use. OK! You did read them!
"Adverse reactions" & "safe in small doses" is not alarming to me"
https://www.wavsource.com/snds_2020-10-01_3728627494378403/tv/looney_tunes/bugs_adios.wav
Thanks for your honest concern. My MO has been listening to other peoples stories that my path has and will meet with. I like reading testimonies and often i feel that they are gratefully sharing and not trying to control. i experiment with myself and learn. To me life is all about personal responsibility and i thrive. Im saddened by so many peoples loss when they hand over their gift to some greedy orginization
Thankyou for taking my post in the spirit it was intended.
Comments in this thread (advocating the use of DMSO) from Agent1-4-9 et al are purely anecdotal.
I encourage the use of discernment, skepticism & evidence to support claims.
This is (IMHO) WW3, a war unlike any before, a war for minds, a war fought with information & the general population are in the trenches, assailed with a barrage of information.
I’ve used DMSO for many years and it’s saved me from many painful and unpleasant situations. I’m not sure what your motive is but you are absolutely unaware of the many benefits of using DMSO. I’ve known people who used it in very dilute doses in their eyes and it dissolved their cataracts. I have the vast experience to say DMSO is not harmful or I would be dead. I’m very healthy and DMSO helped me heal many issues.
EDUCATION IS KEY: One of the books to read on DMSO with many medical trials and results in is The Persecuted Drug: The Story of DMSO by Pat McGrady SR it is available on archive dot org for all to read for free. Another reference book on DMSO is The DMSO Handbook for Doctors - Archie H Scott. People need to be informed fully. I have used DMSO for many years and many times it has literally saved me from having to going near the big harma crew. Responsible usage and knowing the medium one is dealing with is paramount before usage as with anything especially when they are their own MD. Many of us have done so for many years and will continue to do so. In the first book I mentioned it shows just how the FDA would not let it be approved, research and read before taking notice of a hit piece done by someone who was educated in the ways of big pharma and works or worked within the big harma industry who seems to have no alternatives mentioned which is really sad.
I would like to see some remedies or alternatives that can be used instead of using DMSO. Also thank you for bringing DMSO to the forefront for many as they will now research it. Job well done.
I’ve been using magnesium oil, but now that I’m doing a deep dive into all vitamins and supplements. I’m not sure that I can recommend it until I do further research. I feel horrible as I was rubbing DMSO and magnesium oil on my son’s calves, which would get so tight fromwalking when he was younger. Waking up is not easy when I have to look back on how I harmed my son slathering, toxic chemicals on him, trusting the books and pieces of paper instead of my gut instinct.
Most probably one hell of a lot worse was done to him by jabs if he had the schedule it's like OMG. I would be looking there first before worrying about things like DMSO and magnesium chloride which is what they call magnesium oil which of course is not an oil. His calves would have most likely needed the magnesium chloride because he was growing rapidly and the body needs magnesium when the tendons and muscles are being stretched to accommodate the fast bone growth. I can remember my brother grew 10 inches in one year when he was growing up, the pain and suffering he went through was horrific back in the day. If only we knew about magnesium chloride flakes back then. All we had was magnesium sulfate hitting the market place as Epsom Salts and we didn't know much, this was way before the internet back in 1982. DMSO, Magnesium Chloride, plus MMS and CDS and Colloidal Silver 3600ppm are the main go to basics in my shit hits the fan medical kit. The main thing is one has to know how to use these items and what to use them for. DMSO is not always used there is a time and a place and it's transdermal use to get things into places where we need the most effectiveness is paramount when used in combination with herbal tinctures and poultices. It is literally a game changer when one has the know how. Oh and not all magnesium chlorides are the same, it depends on where they came from. One really needs a Certificate of Analysis on the raw product. It is best to make one's own magnesium spray aka oil as it is known by many. It can itch like crazy too so this comes once again back to strength of the product, ie volume of magnesium flakes to water. If it itches then add more water to it. A bit like bathing in the ocean and leaving salty water to dry on the body then get back in again and do it a few times and don't shower. See just how dry and itchy the skin can become because it does.
It would appear this post has caused some division. I keep circling back to see if any of the comment conversations have evolved into furthering the discussion. Mostly we have 2 camps. Those who have (some beneficial) experience with the product (and support its use) and those who are against using industrial waste for any 'desired effects'. I pose some questions to try and step back and see the forest through the dense trees...
1) In the article, one thing that really stands out to me is the pattern recognition. We know from 'Agent's' (and others) thorough research into supplement/vitamin/fortification processes that this $$$ industry evolved from other industry having a waste/chemical disposal problem. They turned a potential cost into a profit by repackaging hazardous garbage as medical miracles for sale. So, if you might be skeptical about ingesting ascorbic acid ("C") or cholecalciferol ("D3")- both synthetic poison/garbage- why would you give DMSO a hall pass? Is there some special exception to the playbook with DMSO that I am missing?
2) Are people using DMSO to "heal" or to manage symptoms? For example, one might actually experience DMSO "working" if it were to suppress certain uncomfortable symptoms. But we know from 'Terrain' that this is not a root cause protocol. We also know that symptom management follows the playbook of a failed medical industrial complex and usually results in a can being kicked down the road. I'm all for feeling a little better and functioning, but should we be looking at potential problems (some maybe not even recognized by regular users) of prolonged dosing of industrial garbage? Anyone can find papers and articles saying how awesome any product in the world is. Once you patent the synthetic, you buy some "science" (marketing), and you publish it. I doubt any of it is worth a shit.
3) Does anyone think our bodies, designed so miraculously, have just been begging for paper mill chemical byproducts because - somewhere along the way - we just started falling short in these amazing lab synthetics, that come in a chemical drum and you have to wear protective gear to be around? I'm not following the logic here. Maybe someone can enlighten me to the train of thought.
Have at me.
I think where your argument falters is that there is no regular dosing of DMSO needed to treat certain conditions (you don't have to keep using it because it does its job the first time) and I would argue that that is the definition of healing versus suppressing symptoms. It heals the root of the issue by detoxifying and restructuring cell damage.
Our bodies are not craving byproducts, but through human ingenuity, we are able to extract highly potent doses of something our body naturally creates (sulphur) to harness its potency and use it in a targeted manner. No different than extracting Vitamin C as a 'byproduct' from fruit.
Thanks for responding.
I read several comments where readers use the product regularly and over long spans of time. I'm sure there are various applications with context required.
"It heals the root of the issue by detoxifying and restructuring cell damage."
Can you provide any source material substantiating this positive claim that I could review?
"No different than extracting Vitamin C as a 'byproduct' from fruit."
I'm not sure this analogy will hold up with me. I have been trying to find the foundational papers of 'vitamine' isolation and discovery without any luck. All you get are famous names, nobel prizes (red flag), and theories on so-called "deficiences" with only animal study abstracts. Best I can tell- without getting into all the hairy details- is that what are called vitamins- were another story that so-called scientists came up with to explain what they couldn't see (sound familiar- hello virologists?). When the chemists took over the game, they needed to make themselves relevant. Try to find a method section of a vitamin isolation paper...maybe it's me, but I can't find them or get access.
That said, I do believe that foods have vital micronutrients in them. I am coming to suspect that man has once again tried to outsmart Mother Nature in believing he can pull one micronutrient (say "Vitamin C") out and away from all the others in the symphony, grind it into a pill, and have it do the same as if one just ingested the orange. And we now know that 90% of bottled supps/vits are just industrial lab synthetics whose only similarity to anything found in a food is a chemical formulation match. They don't represent anything found in nature.
Can you tell me how you extract vitamin c from a fruit? Why not just eat it? How do you know what you are extracting is the good stuff?
I would like to see how similar it is to a paper mill with industrial waste disposal issues.
Hi Farmer Pete,
As you know, DMSO is not a money-maker, so it does not have the studies of pharmaceutical companies because they can't make money off it. In fact, their studies purposely fear-monger people away from it and direct them to drugs that do profit.
That said, it has been in use in hospitals and on animals for a very long time.
Instead of pouring over the experiences of others, and looking to the 'scientists' in charge <<I will never trust them again after Convid - just try experimenting with DMSO for yourself if you feel so inclined.
All I can offer is that after researching it, including but not limited to Amandha's book, and learning how it works (in the simplest terms: providing sulphur, which the body is composed of), I knew it would work for me - and it did. Quickly and permanently. It heals skin cancer! No surgery, no lasers. That's the only reason I'm taking the time to type on this thread. I want to help other people.
I can't attest that it does everything else because I haven't tried. I do know people who use it as a carrier to treat horse injuries. And you can tell it functions as a carrier because you can taste sulphur immediately after applying it. That's how you know how deeply penetrating this product is.
There is no way to safely extract something without destroying the synergy and frequency of the original
Medicine. Which is why I have one rule never interfere with God’s medicine or never interfere with mother nature it will always have disastrous results.. at first it seems you can hack into the natural world and find the active ingredient and make that into an easy to swallow pill or to slather on your skin
Doesn’t anyone else find it alarming that it crosses the blood brain barrier so quickly and easily?
Here's some food for thought: https://philosophernewport.substack.com/p/interesting-info-re-how-manmade-vitamins
When I was learning how to become vegan, I learned about how you can take supplements, but there is nothing to guarantee the body will absorb them, so I generally rely on food as my medicine, but I still experiment with vitamin supplements. Whatever is being extracted (it's good to challenge this!) does generally have effects, most of which are bad in my opinion (eg. B12)
In terms of how vitamins are produced, I agree - anything done the traditional science way is usually too much, using chemicals that disrupt the effect.
Especially when it comes to concoctions with animal products.
I do know a naturopath who healed her cancer with high doses of intravenous Vitamin C and was told she would never be able to have children, then did.
One thing DMSO can do is act as a carrier for other elements (be it supplements, products, or foods), so that may increase their absorption.
I found yet another use for DMSO last night. After getting a filling at the dentist that side of my throat began stinging at night, probably from a mix of the trauma and debris from the drill and chemicals used in the filling and freezing. I tried a lozenge and it did nothing. I applied some DMSO to my throat and a few drops internally to the gland and it the pain immediately subsided and woke up without a sore throat.
Thank you. Everyone's story is unique. What works this time may not work next time. What did not help before may help in the future. What helps one person may harm another. Guessing & gambling, that's all we've ever been doing.
Personal testimonials are golden, and sometimes hilarious when you hear about what ridiculous remedy someone tried and found beneficial. People use things as remedies that so-called science swears could never be helpful and could in fact be harmful. I mean, look at homeopathy >> by all rights it should not be helpful and yet plenty of people swear it helped them -- and what good does it do any of us to poo-poo what people claimed helped them?
I bought Amanda's book about DMSO a couple of years ago and I don't like it. I don't like that DMSO is a by-product of a chemical process used to make paper. It may very well exist in Nature, and that's how I would prefer to try it >> sourced from Nature and not some manufacturing plant associated with the New York Times.
Actually, I don't want to try it at all. I am not curious about trying remedies. I let my issues or problems run their course. I starve them to death through neglecting to do anything about them. It usually works. Time alone heals my maladies, and when it doesn't, THEN I reach for a remedy -- search for a natural one first and if I can't find one, I'll use a synthetic.
I once suffered from all-food-based hives. 16 years of breaking out in hives for 45 minutes every time I ate ANYTHING. Eventually I ended up going to a dermatologist and she prescribed fexofenadine (Allegra) and by god, after about 9 months of the fexo, the food-based hives never came back. She said they don't understand hives and only know how to suppress them. I never suffered any side effects from the fexofenadine and no new illness or symptoms arose from suppressing the hives.
I'd like to clarify that my use of DMSO was after a year+ of research. Trying it was not based on guessing and gambling but based on pattern recognition of many people's perspectives - I track them, then compare them and analyze that data.
I have never found anyone's solutions "hilarious".
I do think many people want immediate, solid answers about their health, which leads them to block out new ways of thinking, such as terrain theory.
I have read that no vitamin has ever been extracted/isolatde from food hence why they are listed eg. Vit C as xxxxxx
I only use it in the case of injury or over exertion of muscles (magnesium chloride with dmso) or trauma, bruising or potential clots due to intensive bruising or in the case of bronchial issues of which I would have used it maybe once in the past 12mths and that was 1 drop of full strength DMSO in a nebulizer, the rest was sterile water. It's all about usage and dosage and the solution strength of DMSO. Never is it used at full strength, it is the responsibility of the user to research and understand the medium they are using.
I know of someone personally who I helped that used Magnesium Chloride spray and DMSO in the spray extensively on their hip because it was the only thing that could give them relief. The person was on the waiting list for a hip replacement for many years, ie gov health care. Once the elderly man got in for surgery they said we simply do not know how you ever put up with the pain of this. It is the worst case of a person needing a hip replacement that we have ever seen. He didn't take pain killers, instead he found a way to help himself while patiently waiting.
For what are you using it in the Nebulizer please
I appreciate Farmer Pete’s comments and will take understanding this down to the simplest route. You cannot poison the body back to Health. everyone’s reliance on their religion of research papers and their false gods telling him how wonderful this product is like drinking urine or injecting ozone.
I as mentioned in the article bought DMSO put it in my products. Put it on my son’s calf muscles with absolutely no help whatsoever and I made it significantly worse in the long run. Why do you think you can taste DMSO instantly on your tongue the second you put it on your skin because it’s a solvent and it’s gone systemic. It is an industrial solvent. It removes paint and glue.
Those that like it uses as a religion, as a security blanket or as their binky, don’t take away peoples Binky or their claws come out
Agent131711 and I were discussing this, and he brilliantly said what if you can get the same results from sunlight regenerative grown high nutrient food, springwater, and rest? We all know that in our hearts, that’s exactly what we can do not slather industrial waste products on our skin because we read a book that says it was good and want to believe in the next miracle cure.
Remember, we don’t have a control. There isn’t an identical twin that gets to go without the treatment I know in my heart that there would not be a difference except for placebo.