Ok folks, don’t throw out your magnesium supplements quite yet.
Yes, it is good to question supplements, and it is true that many influencers exaggerate benefits. It is also true that magnesium is often over-marketed. But the author is basing her entire argument on a fundamental misunderstanding that leads to conclusions that do not line up with basic biology or chemistry.
1. Magnesium absolutely exists in nature in a form living organisms can use.
Plants cannot survive without magnesium. It is the central atom in chlorophyll. No magnesium means no photosynthesis, which means no plants and no oxygen. That alone tells us magnesium exists in a natural, bioavailable form.
2. The author is mixing up two completely different substances.
Elemental magnesium metal (the reactive metal that burns) is not the form found in soil, food, or the human body. All living systems use ionic magnesium, Mg²⁺, which is stable, safe, and present in seawater, groundwater, and plant tissue.
She is confusing:
Elemental magnesium metal (Mg⁰)
• Silver-gray metal
• Highly reactive
• Burns in air
• Never occurs freely in soil
• Not something you can eat
WITH
Ionic magnesium (Mg²⁺)
• Found in seawater, soil, plants, food, and your bloodstream
• Stable and non-reactive
• Not a chunk of metal
• Used by all living organisms
These two forms only share a name. They behave nothing alike. Treating them as the same substance leads to an incorrect narrative.
3. Many magnesium compounds exist naturally.
Examples include magnesium malate in apples, magnesium citrate in citrus fruits, magnesium sulfate in mineral springs, and magnesium chloride in seawater. These are natural. Supplements simply mimic these forms because they are already part of biological systems.
Her description of supplement manufacturing is also misleading. Yes, supplements are created by binding magnesium to acids or amino acids. But plants do this too. They bind magnesium to citric acid, malic acid, and amino acids like glycine. The industrial process is simply replicating natural biochemistry.
4. Magnesium is essential for human biology.
It regulates more than 300 processes, including muscle relaxation, nerve signaling, ATP production, DNA stability, and electrolyte balance. Life on earth is not possible without magnesium. This is basic cell biology.
5. Relief is not addiction, and returning symptoms are not proof of deception.
Stress, caffeine, alcohol, poor sleep, chronic inflammation, and many modern dietary patterns deplete magnesium. Feeling better when taking magnesium and worse when stopping does not mean dependence. It simply means your mineral levels changed, in the same way you get thirsty again after drinking water.
6. Soil depletion is real but does not mean magnesium was never present.
Modern agriculture often removes minerals faster than they are replaced. This is a farming issue, not proof that magnesium was not part of the human diet. The fact that so many plant foods naturally contain magnesium makes this claim one of the strangest parts of the article.
7. Should everyone supplement magnesium?
Not necessarily. Some people get enough through food, especially if they eat greens, nuts, seeds, legumes, and mineral-rich produce. Others benefit from additional intake if they are stressed, athletic, or low in dietary sources.
Magnesium glycinate feels calming partly because glycine itself is calming, which is an easy nuance to miss.
The point is not that everyone must take magnesium. The point is that the biological claims in the article do not match what we know about soil, plants, water, and human cells.
If you feel better without magnesium, that is completely valid.
If you feel better with it, that is also valid.
But stopping because “magnesium does not exist in nature” is a decision based on a misunderstanding of very basic science.
A more balanced takeaway is this: magnesium is real, natural, and essential but Supplement needs vary from person to person, and no mineral can replace the deeper work of lowering stress, nourishing the body, and supporting the nervous system.
Thank you - I started reading the article with interest and then all the big claims and definitive statements sent me straight to the comments to look for the sensible counter argument.
All good, with one exception. There is no evidence that people are actually deficient in magnesium. As you correctly observe, it’s present in all plants, being the central feature in capturing solar energy, which provides the power for photosynthesis.
Consuming natures bounty ensures an ample supply of all nutrients. It’s about the most unlikely deficiency one could imagine.
Some deficiencies arise not from shortfalls in diet but disorders of absorption, but that isn’t the case here.
I used to regard the brightly lit shelves of “supplements” as benign placebos for the worried well.
A few years ago, I walked into one of these “health food stores”. These didn’t exist at all 40 years ago when I was studying biochemistry. The author has ably described the arc of this con very well, for it is a con. And I’m not at all sure they’re benign placebos either. I noticed several “supplements” being of biochemical products that I’d studied only because they were considered toxic. I remember thinking “Oh well, so much for my early 1980s lecturers, look how things have advanced”. Back then, when I first saw an unusual supplement that I’d never before heard of in this context, it never occurred to me that an industry might emerge not only to impoverish people, but to harm them. Unfortunately it’s what happens in every dimension in any corporate arrangement.
I don’t recommend any supplements. Eat well, exercise regularly, attend to quality & quantity of sleep as a bare minimum. There are no fixes in bottles of capsules that will override deficiencies in your diet, exercise and sleep. They might also actively harm you and they’ll certainly eat your bank balance.
How would you explain all of the people whose symptoms improve when they take magnesium supplements? And I absolutely agree that supplements are way of years old and often ineffective. Magnesium is one of the few supplements I actually take. I eat very well (or as well as you can in the current food systems of America), but I noticed a market difference in my energy levels if I am not taking magnesium.
Your original comment above was excellent. I don't think it's possible to refute this fallacious article any better. And the number of likes you received can attest to that. What's amazing is how many likes and reposts this article received. Simply incredible that so many can be misled. One thing I can add about that,.... Animals including the Alpine Ibex cannot be misled. They scale vertical walls of a dam, along with their kids, risking life and limb, to reach mineral salts they desperately crave. And Mg is a key component in many salts... https://hasanjasim.online/daring-goats-the-incredible-salt-seeking-climb-of-alpine-ibexes/
It would be silly to think they would go through all that, just for a sip of poison.
It is said chocolate cravings may hint at a magnesium deficiency.
Is this the same Dr. Yeadon who worked for Pfizer? If so, he’s trying to get the truth out there. And like some Drs. he’s not making money on his information. I have respect for him.
I would explain it as a symptom suppressant and/or placebo. Perhaps the symptoms are occurring because the body is trying to detox all the poisonous magnesium introduced?
Hannah, magnesium is crucial for the production of ATP, the molecule our bodies overwhelmingly use for energy. If magnesium levels are low then we may feel less energy. Vice versa, if we take magnesium we may experience a bump in energy.
If you have not already studied it, glycolysis and ATP production in the cell is a good thing to become familiar with. It’s a crucial part of understanding basic biology that doesn’t get the attention it deserves (even in bio classes!)
I first learned about ATP from one Dr Robert Lustig on the Diary of a CEO podcast. I'm certainly a layman in this area, but the topic interests me as I am interested in diet and health. He was speaking about ATP production and how a diet - say keto, when done right - was very efficient and clean way for ATP production. Whereas, refined sugars, highly processed carbs, or even just eating excess calories will stress your body with free radical artifacts, slower and sluggish energy production, insulin spikes all resulting in fatigue, brain fog, developing health issues, even accelerated aging over a longer term.
"I don’t recommend any supplements..... There are no fixes in bottles of capsules that will override deficiencies in your diet...."
The Big Pharma hand puppet strikes again with more propaganda. Dr. Mike Yeadon thinks we are all idiots. He uses his 40 years in Research and Development to mislead and deceive. As shown by his ridiculous take on Ivermectin being a violent fertility toxin... https://substack.com/@ohbaby/note/c-67552347
The man truly is a despicable character. But let us entertain his notion on supplements, just for our amusement....
No,.. it couldn't possibly be beneficial to correct an insufficiency? LOL!
Even with purchasing whole foods, sold on store shelves, you might not be getting the nutrients that you should be getting. Cause if the soil or feed is depleted in nutrients, with the advent of industrial farming practices, they won’t be in the food either. Everything grown and produced these days, is largely by corporate interests and the ruling class. Nothing but empty calories and nutrient deficient food, all in an attempt to make us sick and dependent on pharmaceuticals.... https://ohbaby.substack.com/p/colonialism-as-we-now-know-it
I know, it might sound far fetched, but we know for a fact, industrial farming practices does indeed turn healthy soil into dust blown dirt. Leaving livestock unable to graze and being forced fed GMO grain. That sound like nutrient dense food to you?
And it's all a line of crap that supplementation will eat away at your hard earned wagers. For 16 bucks a month, you can get D3, Mg, K2 (Mk'7), and a quality multi-vitamin. Costing less than a night out dining. And for an extra 2 bucks you can also get NAC, to boost your Glutathione stores. Your most powerful alley... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11115795/
You lose any credibility when you attack someone’s character and don’t stick to providing proof to your stance on the subject. Highly unprofessional and discredits you.
I'm sorry you feel that way, and normally I would agree with you. But for Mike and Medicine Girl and a few others I must make exceptions and call them out. They deliberately and purposely lie and deceive to mislead the masses. And that my friend is very harmful and down right evil. We have to call them out, just like the government's line of "safe and effective." It is no different.
And if you read the links provided, you'll see I supplied more than enough evidence of their devious intentions. Had they been just some people misled by the propaganda, I would give them a pass. But these two know very well what they are doing. Mike is a career researcher and scientist and very much knows better. And Medicine Girl makes like she was misled her whole life, that there is no deficiency, and that all the studies are bull. How can any researcher possibly believe that? How many were there in the last 20 years,... 94,000? And with her collaboration with Agent131711,... famous for his "Vitamin D is Rat Poison" she does not get a pass. All total, the 3 of them have over 50,000 subscribers. That's a lot of people that can be harmed by their disinformation.... https://ohbaby.substack.com/p/the-incredible-evil-in-suppressing/comment/189058030
But I do have to admit, my Irish does act up a bit in my distain for them.
I am not really surprised you feel the way you do, with you liking many of Dr. Yeadon's and Medicine Girl's posts and comments.
All plant life is being sprayed with chem trails which include heavy metals etc. Is organic food still organic? According to what I understand from Dr. Clifford Carnicom and his 30 year work history studying chem trails I have to wonder about our food. Many have said our water and food are contaminated. There is a doctor online who uses food to heal different issues, and then adds supplements as a last resort. Each time I read it I think of Dr. Carnicom. Grocery stores are also using Apeel and read about it a couple of times and then not at all. They use it on organic vegetables and fruits for a longer shelf life. If you ask the produce person in charge hopefully they will be honest. I believe you can thank Bill G. for that. We have a garden that is supposedly organic until I found out that the soil we brought in was compost taken from people's yards that used herbicides etc. If you add what they are spraying then we are being poisoned. I hope I am wrong, but have been trying to piece it all together. I do know that the state of Tennessee banned chem trails, but someone said they do it anyway. Supplements aren't regulated, so I get them from my Functional Medicine Doctor who can find out about the companies she buys from. Magnesium does affect about 300 chemical processes in the body and you would have to eat a lot of whatever to get the amount needed to cover these processes. A conundrum.
Thank you, these are all excellent points. Some of MG's misunderstandings concerning the periodic table have carried over into this latest post.
One very common place we find magnesium ions is in hard water. The hardness is mostly calcium ions but magnesium can account for as much as 20% of the total hardness. In hard water the primary counter ion (negative) is bicarbonate. If you boil the water the bicarbonate is decomposed to carbonate and the less soluble magnesium and calcium carbonates drop out of solution.
In my work I do elemental analysis using primarily ICP Mass Spectrometry and ion chromatography. Ion chromatography is great for separating and measuring Na, K, Ca and Mg.
Indeed and it’s amply present in numerous, freely available foods. Therefore, there’s no need to waste money buying pretend supplements for a deficiency you don’t have & risking unwanted effects from the unnatural presentation of what may even be an overdose of something that cannot happen in nature.
But where does the magnesium come from that is actually used in supplements?
Is it coming from the elemental magnesium metal?
Or, are you saying that the various types of magnesium supplements are actually coming from bottling-up "magnesium malate in apples", "magnesium citrate in citrus fruits", etc. ?
So, if magnesium malate is in apples, are you saying that "magnesium malate" supplements are made from apples?
Good question. If you’re asking about the various salts of magnesium, I.e. magnesium, citrate, magnesium malate these would be the simple products of reacting, magnesium carbonate with either citric acid or malic acid. Magnesium carbonate is the most commonly used natural mineral utilized as a precursor for most industrial processes. It is mined from the ground as magnesite. Magnesium metal is a very labor intensive, and expensive end product and would never be used to make inexpensive supplements.
My comment didn’t confirm your point — it actually addressed a different issue. You asked where the magnesium in supplements comes from; I explained industrial processes (using magnesium carbonate, not fruit-derived compounds, nor elemental magnesium metal). So my answer maintains that supplements aren’t made from food sources like apples or citrus, but from mineral + organic acid reactions — which is the opposite of what you suggested.
Well ... more like 40 apples (per day, @ 4-5 mg of Mg / 100g of apple from ALL sources -- not just mg-malate) to get the 400 mg of Mg that is typically recommended as a supplement to an average diet from a typical OTC product. That's why it's a supplement. You can't practically eat 40 apples a day.
It may not be a problem of intake, but adequate absorption. I started taking magnesium recommended by a holistic dentist. I have noticed a remarkable difference in many areas and I hate taking any supplements. But this one I'll continue with.
I just started taking mag glycinate and it is fixing a whole host of muscular issues I never knew were related or from magnesium deficiency. Also part of organic fertilizer for your garden is epson salts aka magnesium
While I enjoy the contrarian look, Medicine Girl should be aware that EMF from electronics, wi-fi, disrupts calcium levels, as we absorb calcium via VGCCs (voltage-gated calcium channels). This would fulfill the argument as to why we need more daily now than ever. Epsom salts and sea salt is a great way we can absorb more Mg. Medicine Girl - please chime in if you see this. Thank you!
I should have read your note before posting my own. You articulated my basic concerns with her position in a clear and supported way without being mean. Note sure I met the same standard. Well done.
I'm so interested in alternative medicine that I love this site for its alternative view of alternative medicine. And if anyone has an alternative view of that alternative view of alter...you know the rest. I like bloody alternatives!
I have magnesium salts and the like about the house and I won't be throwing them out, no more than I'll throw out the DMSO or the emu oil. But I won't be reaching for them any time soon, unless it's to fiddle a bit with a new experiment on my own body.
I love hearing from MG about her doubts and reservations on these substances. I'm not going to shriek "how dare you!" because someone has taken the trouble to describe, in solid detail, the possible downsides. Moreover, I'm more than a touch suspicious of the alternative industry and its internet stars.
Ever notice how they praise a food for having a tiny percentage of daily requirement of some essential mineral or vitamin? To get the full requirement of magnesium, for example, I'd have to do some pretty bizarre eating. So what are they up to? Is it part of the supplement selling game?
Anyway, I just ate a bowl of steaming brown rice with parsley pesto for breakfast. Doctor Tummy and Doctor Palate didn't explain why. They simply told me to just do it. (Sometimes they sound like a Nike commercial, but they're nearly always right.)
I hear you, and you’re right to call it out. I’m not neutral on substances that don’t belong in the body. If something is synthetic, industrial, or pulled out of its natural context in a way the body was never designed to handle, I’m not for it. My work isn’t about debating preferences. It’s about pointing out when we’ve been convinced to use things that never would have shown up in a natural environment.
That’s the difference.
I’m not judging anyone for having magnesium oil or DMSO or anything else in their home. Most people, including me years ago, were simply following what we were taught to believe was “necessary.” My stance now is that if a substance doesn’t exist in nature in the form we’re putting on or into the body, it doesn’t belong there. Full stop.
That being said, I love having discussions on here, not name-calling but these discussions I don’t want an echo chamber of I am right and you’re wrong but a discussion between those of us who are awakening to reality need to start figuring out how the world actually operate so we can use it to our advantage and live in our potential
Aren't most pharmaceuticals derived from petroleum? I understand what the Rockefellers did to the health industry, is it your argument that all pharmaceuticals are suspect?
Pumpkin seeds are a tasty source of readily available magnesium. And apple cider vinegar is high in malic acid.... magnesium..
I like to take ACV in water with lemon juice 30 minutes before eating. It helps to alkalize the system.
There are definite symptoms produced when we are deficient in magnesium or any other nutrient so don't go throwing the baby out with the bath water. A lot of Dr Berg's nutritional advice is spot on and he helps thousands who would not get valuable information otherwise.
And don't abandon your DMSO just because a substack writer who has not done years of experimenting with it says so!
And I do use magnesium chloride flakes (aka as nigari) in cooking in place of salt for a .magnesium kick. This was recommended by the late Dr Walter Last, a fantastic chemist who went to New Zealand to practice nutrition after fleeing Germany. He authored a number of excellent books on using simple remedies, like bicarbonate of sodium and borax ( for the boron content) if you want reliable information without an agenda check out his work.
💯 agree it’s even in my book on how to solve. I personally wouldn’t take it every day unless you had something that was unchangeable and chronic, but it is incredibly powerful and I’ve seen it work with my hospice patients.
Eunice, the problem is that everyone else is saying these positive things re magnesium etc. I come to this site for an alternative view. If it's a bit strong on criticism, skepticism...good!
I've got all the usual remedies about the house and try them all. None seem to hurt much, most don't do much. Too many people recommend stuff because Barbara or Amandha said so. I'll listen to those people, but the main convincer is results from trying stuff on my own body. No result? I move on, willing to try again later. (Tonight I'm trying straight ginger on a persistent bush rash...and it seems to be working. Actually! We'll see.)
Hey, pumpkin seeds! I buy them in bulk, put a bunch of them in a large blender with all the other soft seeds I like, then, after seasoning with celery seed and salt, I blitz it all to a mash with Aussie olive oil. This butter is especially good heaped on date halves. Mind you, I'm not trying to get more magnesium, I'm out to enjoy pumpkin seeds.
The key is to find enjoyment in real food, not to find novel rigmaroles or new gurus. Rigmaroles and gurus fade, the love of real food remains. My main guide is Professor Appetite. (And I'm very grateful to Doctor Stomach for warning me that those heart-healthy seed oils are only good for preserving timber if I run out of diesel sump oil.)
I buy 5 lb bags of pumpkin seeds in bulk from Azure and feed them to my critters -- goats chickens & dogs as well.theyvare natural deformed especially when combined with raw garlic. I have been a student of natural heath for decades ans studied with various Japanese tea hers before formally studying Chinese Medicine and homeopathy. I never used supplements very much other than castor oil and got into herbs and essential oils about 50 years ago. I do think many supplements can be quite helpful when taken purposely. For instance, cayenne pepper and niacin are great to take now to stimulate blood flow and decongest the body to help prevent colds. I have used D3 & k2 with zinc to help resolve infections. Medicine girl is fairly young-- I am almost 79 and ailments I have encountered the past decade -- like a stroke caused by a dental procedure and my femur shearing off when my dog threw me on a cement floor required measures that far exceeded my normal needs for pain relief, swelling reduction, and healing.itbis easy to be critical when you have never been desperate for an effective fix, or injuried far beyond anything you could imagine.
When my hip was broken I had to drag myself over 60 feet to my phone to get to my phone.my hip was not only broken but dislocated. It took me over an hour. It took me almost a year to recover. And I used lots of supplements.and medical cannabis some worked, some didn't. Everyone has to find what works for them. I can't eat brown rice anymore Robert-- unless it is toasted and finely ground them made into porridge with crushed seeds. My favorite combo is chia, flax, sunflower & pumpkin.
Could enjoy a change with roasted, but I use raw. Any other soft seed can hit the mix: hemp, sunflower, sesame even...but the main theme is pumpkin. One day I'll do another brew with just hemp seed. Tried it once and...good!
Something I never forget to add is celery salt. Make my own with wild celery seeds and good salt blitzed together. I add it to just about everything. I may be buried with it.
"There are definite symptoms produced when we are deficient in magnesium or any other nutrient so don't go throwing the baby out with the bath water."
I have a question. Who told you you were 'deficient' in magnesium and how was that determined?
And in my basic understanding of the scientific method, proving x causes y gets a little shaky without an independent variable. Symptoms are the effect. Effects can be caused by many things. Making a claim that certain symptoms are caused by a 'lack' of a specific compound would have to be very tightly controlled each step of the way- and even then, there are issues with 'proving a negative'. Most likely, as with most similar 'deficiency' claims, they are not controlled for (see "vitamins" foundational papers- it's all assumption-based junk and lab voodoo).
That said, I am not denying that anyone who takes a pill or powder that is run through a chemical odyssey in a lab may see {{short term}}effects (maybe 'good', maybe bad). That's what taking pharmaceuticals do.
As Dr Berg mentions testing the blood for Magnesium doesn't work because it is all tied up in various tissues.
I recognized the symptoms in myself after learning about the values of Magnesium as a aenior-- it is involved with hundreds of biochemical reactions. after supplementing Via nutrition and Magnesium citrate powder I felt a huge improvement in. Y overall health. I don't rely upon doctors to tell me how I am feeling.magnesium deficiency when you are older can lead to heart problems so dismissing it as a scam is stupid. Medicine girl is walking on dangerous ground because too many today are influenced by characters on social media with an agenda and hers is to dish every remedy she deems BAD.
Eunice, all mineral tests are surrogate (marker) tests. Basically what that means is that they are not detecting 'magnesium' that is found in nature (you should really re-read the article). They are looking for chemical matches. There are all sorts of issues with this including all the inferences and assumptions made about any biological meaning (what is actually happening in the human body). The claims that are made of one being "deficient" in whatever these tests are looking for and run through a spectrometry machine are specious.
Forget what you have been told and start from the beginning. What is actually in the supplement you are taking? How is it made? And is it possibly the same thing you are told is found in nature?
If you like taking synthetics made up in a lab that have been given the name "magnesium"... and they subsequently "work" on whatever your symptoms are, you can certainly keep taking them. Make sure to keep an eye on longer term health outcomes (and other effects)... because it's just a pharmaceutical like any other common lab-derived drug.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating- it is reasonable to believe that if Magnesium do relieve symptoms, the symptoms could be caused by the lack og Magnesium...
In general, I believe that the body has genetic memory, so it's best to stick to ingesting the same things my grandparents used to. Yes, the skin ingests, too:
Adaptability can be pushed only so far, and every single factor adds to the stress it causes. The stress factor building up alone can make someone sick.
I couldn't find the link where I mentioned my stroke Anyway, I had access to my extensive collection of herbs, supplements and th erapeutic essential oils and other remedies. The hospital where I was sent to had a very good health food store in the same complex and friends arranged for the owner to bring me fresh vegetable juices. I also got kefir, took pysillum seed and activated charcoal to counteract radiation from all the catscans. I ate some fresh fruit and took some vitamins ( natural b's)I refused all drugs and got kicked of the hospital and was transferred 150 miles to a nursing home where I could have access to massage( they would not let me have massage therapists at the hospital) I also had outdoor a cess at the nursing home so I went out in my wheel chair to do grounding and. Breathing e,exercises
There is not enough room to go into detail here about my protocol.i went from total paralysis on my rightside to now 7 years later,walking with a cane. I have residual stiffness in two fingers& three toes which makes certain activities more difficult. I avoid all processed foods, only use white rice and whole organic corn as my grains. I make masa marinade from the corn. I eat a variety of vegetables and fruits, organic meats( liver several times a week) a and only use stevia as a sweetener. My other protein foods include low oxalate nuts and seeds, whey, eggs and rarely chicken and turkey. Some dairy products but.because most even organic milk is ultrapasturized I avoid it. I never eat out. I take prepared foods with when I travel.
But I have been eating this way for decades. Someone eating a traditional American diet would have to make other adjustments. I also fast and sometimes only eat one meal a day, but I drink a lot of tea.I am also moderately active. Hope this helps. I did have a great chiropractor in the beginning of my recovery.Because I refused statins I was labeled medically non-compliant and refused care from the medical establishment.
Robert, could I possibly get your recipe for parsley pesto? I eat brown, red or black rice, millet, quinoa and other grains for many breakfasts. Sometimes with lentil or bean sprouts. Many times with tahini sauce. I’m always looking for new sauce ideas and I’ve never heard of parsley pesto although I’ve made green tahini sauce with parsley.
Love the red rice. Just bought a new load. I long-soak it then just pressure cook, absorption method. Mmm.
Andrea, I'm not much on proportions or recipes, but here goes...
I peel lots of garlic cloves and throw them in a strong blender with soft nuts like pine nuts or walnuts or combo. I've even been known to use hemp seeds. After I've crammed the blender with as much parsley as I can pick and fit in I weight the lot down with lumps of good hard cheese, usually Grana Padano. I pour in plenty of local Aussie olive oil, preferring strong stuff, and whizz it all to a paste. That's it!
If you’re waking up at 3 am, for 99 percent of the population, it’s because of a hormonal imbalance. The good news is it’s possible to balance them naturally. We go into the physiology if you’re interested: https://bodylogic101.substack.com/
Another great article MG!!! Thank you. I keep seeing this sentence over and over again in my head: "They believed they were correcting something the body could not fix on its own." EXACTLY! We have been conditioned to believe that God's design is defective and that these monsters in labcoats can somehow correct or improve upon God's design. NOT. (Circumcision is another good example of this nonsense with the monsters claiming they are improving on God's design. NOT. It's a total luciferian reversal -- a complete satanic lie).
I want to add that several of the symptoms you mention in your article... i.e., muscle cramps, bad sleep, etc. -- these are symptoms caused by exposure to pulsed microwave radiation. Smart meters are the worst in terms of inducing muscle cramps. The reason magnesium helps is because the pulsed microwaves activate what are called "voltage-gated calcium channels" (see here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcmm.12088/pdf*). This causes way too much calcium to flood the body and since magnesium is a calcium channel blocker, it can be used to offset this activation, which will improve symptoms. What it will not do is address the root of the problem, which is exposure to wireless radiation/pulsed microwaves. The key to true healing lies in getting out of the radiation, especially during sleep, which means unplugging and turning off all wireless devices at night - no exceptions. They all have to be unplugged or turned off. Turning off circuits in the house can help. Better yet is to get rid of every single wireless device (this is my choice) and get your technology wired.
Such great points Jeanice! I have been so suspect of all the EMFs that we have been inundated with in the last decade. And… The circumcision lie gets me so over-the-top mad!
The topic of circumcision is enraging to those with a heart and a few brain cells still firing. How fucking dare they attack newborn infants and cut off the most sensitive part of their penises for no medical reason whatsoever and with no anethestic 96% of the time!!! It is medical torture and, in fact, it is satanic ritual abuse used for purposes of mind control and disempowering the male energy on our earth. It creates an imprint of helplessness in our men, which is the point and the reason we have millions of men fully armed in American who have not fired a single shot at the evil creatures responsible for trying to destroy us and this earth. Instead they shoot at innocent bears and other helpless animals to make themselves feel powerful. It's very sad.
I'm so flipping fed up with these medical monsters. I want them out of my reality, permanently.
This topic really gets me fired up. I wrote an 80-page chapter in my birth trauma book about circumcision and the filthy creatures behind this evil. My book is called "Birth Trauma and the Dark Side of Modern Medicine". It has, of course, been banned by Amazon and elsewhere. If interested, you can find the book in MG and Agent's Kofi shop in flipbook form (sorry, don't have link) or on my website in paperback and PDF form here: https://www.birthofanewearth.com/1/birth-trauma-and-the-dark-side-of-modern-medicine/
It’s so much better to listen your own body and gut. And do your own research not just read medicine girls articles or Scientologist Dr Eric Berg or Lee Merritt. Dig deeper than this.
Work with a functional nutritional therapist, or some kind of holistic practitioner who meets you were your at and recognizes your bio individuality.
Do your own homework beautiful people. This woman is just not to be trusted I feel. She is equal to these people she speaks of in my eyes.
I used to read her stuff and now I see it and I’m like yea, whatever. Not interested in the fear mongering queen who attacks everyone and everything.
Blah blah blah , all fear no solutions.
This comes from my own studies, education, knowledge and experiences. And you know who has been my greatest teacher? My own body. My clients bodies, the paitents I worked with when I worked for some MDs
My background is alternative heath and wellness for over 20 years, and the healing arts. I was never an RN or any kind of nurse as she was. I knew that was not my path in allopathic medicine ever.
I would have been fired day 1 of being a an allopathic nurse.
Ha. Went to a functional med Dr who charged me an arm and leg for testing and supplements off of Fullscripts website. Each month he would add more supplements and testing. After a year with no changes or improvements I stopped going. Then I found a Naturopathic dr with a bunch of other credentials and she too had her own new age tests and charts and special supplements she highly recommended etc and then some! Neither of their visits were cheap. Neither were individualized to me, they went by lab results and prescribed norms and charts and guidelines and so much more. They both used me as guinea pig to try new machines and inventions etc…. Why did I go to them in the first place? Because I did not want to go on HRT and needed some relief from menopausal symptoms after trying everything else with no luck. I quit both and saved myself a lot of time and money as yes I had plenty of issues and reactions to the supplements and vitamins they prescribed and suggested. I know so many people who buy every supplement, elixir, vitamin, essential oil etc and can’t travel without their stuff and treat it like a religion. IMO follow the $$$. My stomach and my health and sanity are so much better now without all the “stuff” :)
My question Jae Bee is, did you read THIS particular article? I too question everything, and everyone. But it makes much sense when MG talks about the chemicalizing of products for money making that many believe in after hearing from so many who are selling us this stuff. From reading this article sounds like magnesium pills fall into that category of chemicalized poisons pretending to be healthy. It’s all about the money, imo. Now when I see the ‘alternative’ or other doctors with their many commercials selling their chemical products I don’t believe in them or anything they sell anymore, it seems evil to me. Karma is going to be a bitch for them when/if some people suffer effects, even if it takes a long while for those effects to show up. I fell for it for a while and bought some of their products, what bs. I’ve had a few bad reactions from some things and learned my lesson.
Agree. Pretty much in the same boat. I will say that I am not out any money by listening and that I encouraged to at the very least to learn more. Thanks for your thoughtful post.
The same argument can be made for potassium just like for sodium and Mg.
MG may turn out to be correct in that Mg supplements may be useless but the line of arguments that are used ( i.e they do not exist in their elemental form) doesn't seem to correct.
All atoms have a charge positive or negative in their outer rings-- which makes them so attractive to one another. Think gender-- the original boy-girl story....
These bonds can be very strong depending upon the elements. Like water-- hydrogen & oxygen.hydrogen is the smallest atom and very powerful
One reason water is a great thermal mass-- think lakes and oceans is because it can store energy. They make bonbs from hydrogen atoms ya know .
Interestingly they used to teach basic chemistry in grade school along with others science stuff like hydrology and the fact that sun powers everything in our universe. But basic knowledge is a dangerous thing and that is why the majority of medicine Girl's readers never heard of atoms or charges ( or just forgot ya know?)
What you are repeating here is not evidence. It is what you have been told.
There is no direct evidence supporting these claims in the way you are implying. What exists are mathematical models, computer simulations, and instrument artifacts that are then interpreted by institutions. Numbers on screens are not self validating. Someone assigns meaning to them.
Atoms having charges in their outer rings is not an observed fact. It is a model description. Electron behavior is inferred through indirect measurement and translated through theory. That distinction matters.
Chemical bonding is not observed as attraction between opposites in a literal sense. It is described through probabilistic math and energy minimization frameworks. Those explanations are agreed upon models, not witnessed mechanisms.
Hydrogen being powerful because it is small is not evidence based. That is narrative. Hydrogen bombs are not proof of anything at the chemical or biological level. Nuclear fusion physics is inferred from experiments that rely on detectors and interpretation, not direct observation of particles behaving as described.
Water’s thermal properties are measured outcomes. The explanation for why those measurements occur is theoretical. Again, numbers plus interpretation.
The sun powering life is a functional observation. The mechanism for how energy moves from fusion to photons to biochemical pathways is reconstructed through layers of theory and instrumentation.
None of this means the models are useless. It means they are models. Not truth. Not proof. Not direct knowledge. Great for passing a test and proving you can do what you were told, no critical thinking required
Presenting institutional explanations as settled reality while mocking others for questioning them is not science.
If only we had a more educated population we wouldn’t have these problems. No economics. No chemistry. No biology. The general population is hoodwinked by government goons and narcissistic influencers coming and going because they know so little.
Anyone who thinks an autopsy would be more accurate for anything but examining what happens when life is removed is a servant for Pharmakeia black magic, and the occult
hard lessons here……I dumped doctors 35 years ago and have leaned into the supplement world.
I was already waking up to the fraud in recent years, dumped Vit D, colloidal silver, bentonite clay - holding onto Castor & magnesium as the last to fall.
Kinda wish this information was a few months ago, before re-ordering!
thank you, I’m grateful for your research, please don't destroy my celtic salt next - I remineralise my reverse osmosis water.
That part. It has been a challenge getting affordable non-toxic food. My latest go too is the farmers market. But that isn’t sustainable in this economy. Might become a breatharian lol
Tell me why would the government or big Pharma be paying me for something they financially benefit from? Where is the money when you stop using something??? And since you feel the need to troll I’m curious as to how that works in your mind.
I definitely no longer trust you, anything you post. I was once and curious and interested. Now I’m am like oh another blah blah blah from Medicine girl.
Your article popped up on my feed and I thought I will leave a comment and speak my mind. Cause honestly I am tired of your fear based output. And I have the freedom to express, just like you do.
I don’t hold back I say how I feel and I feel you like feeding only fear to the masses with zero solutions. Maybe some of it is truth. But why should people read your stuff and believe you?
That’s the problem with the world today is that people read one sentence, one article and adopt as their own.
Just like everyone else you speak having this background or this one- x military or so a so.- not to be trusted.
Fear is a low frequency, low vibration. And that is all you broadcast to the world. Do people read your articles and feel empowered? Inspired? I don’t think so. Probably more like lost and scared.
Keep serving FEAR Robin with zero solutions. Keep people scared, the world is scary enough.
Go ahead and lol. I don’t care. why should we trust an x RN? You might be a phony too.
First of all I need to apologize. I didn’t read your post. I read your post on chlorine dioxide, DMSO and colloidal silver which I disagreed with. So I assumed it was the same. Thus my comment. First I need to say that I am in my 70’s. My blood work is close to perfect and I take 0 medications. I have used chlorine dioxide and DMSO . I have done blood work after using and blood work improved. I have used colloidal silver but didn’t do bloodwork but the results seemed good. I would generally agree with you to use natural things and not chemicals but I make exceptions for these. I don’t really understand your comment on why would big pharma want to take away when they make money. They have been trying to destroy alternative medicines,vitamins etc for years because they’re is no money in it for big pharma. Back to magnesium. I always say get your vitamins and nutrients from your food. To do that you would have to grow it yourself. I know that’s not possible for most people. So whatever supplements you take need to be derived from food not chemicals mold fillers and whatever else they come up with. Supplements from anything but food are causing more harm than good.
However, following logic, people who would not trust supplements (because they've just been discredited), they would never buy "patented products" either.
Because ‘the government’ and ‘big Pharma’ are not primarily motivated by financial factors - remember, ‘the government’ and ‘big Pharma’ are intrinsic elements of TPTB - hence, they are essentially The Money - TPTB can conjure unlimited quantities of lucre out of thin air. And it is is plainly evident that TPTB prefer it when folk are sick - the more sickness, the happier they are.
It is not about money. That tired old adage, ‘follow the money’ only leads you as far as the cheap, biddable, corrupted functionaries.
I think mg just heads in the direction of simple healthy food, rest, sun and exercise. Who needs more than that? Besides sex and coffee. And music. And laughs. Stop me when I get to tiny white tablets made in industrial factories on polluting feed stock
Okay, now write an article on the magnesium the body actually uses, Mg2+. Btw, supplemental magnesium fixed my uncle’s a-fib. That’s far better than being put on the cardiac drugs they’d like to prescribe you. Which begs the question, why did you write an article discussing elemental magnesium that the body obviously doesn’t use, implying that we don’t need magnesium, which is a bunch of buncome, and completely omit Mg2+ the type of magnesium the body actually uses and needs. I’ve never read your stack before, no idea who you are, your stack was suggested to me, but appears that you have a poor grasp of biochemistry or you are purposefully misleading people. Not a great look.
Good grief, thousands of words to belabor the point that magnesium is supplements are in ionic form (eg a salt). Maybe for someone who spaced out in high school chemistry this is a surprise. There's nothing special about this, many (most?) nutrients which would be reactive in elemental form, do exist in a benign state as salts. Take sodium chloride - ordinary table salt. Both chlorine and sodium are wildly reactive on their own, but not when combined into salt. But that fact is utterly irrelevant to nutrition.
Below are the introductory facts, which don't require a dissertation to say them, about Magnesium:
1. it's an inorganic element that is important to the body
2. it's usually well regulated by the body
3. most people do not have any deficiency
4. much of what is reported as benefits is placebo effect
5. there may be some people who have trouble absorbing or metabolizing it
The above is a start, but it does not help the small group of people who genuinely need it, or the large number of people who don't know how to tell if they belong in that small group. Neither does anything in this excessively long and pointless article - despite what I was hoping when I decided to read it.
I'm so sorry, but this article is just as much a waste of time as most of the supplements it describes.
I actually really appreciate medicine girls lens on All of this. I too am a former RN also having worked in hospice and was indoctrinated and brainwashed by the Rockefeller allopathic lie. I agree with so much of what MG says, but most of all, I think one of the hardest challenges is awakening and retraining our minds to think a whole different way. It really does make sense though!
I've been learning about alternative and natural medicines since the late 90's. I am not an expert or a student, it's been for my own use and curiosity. During that time, i learned how the body really works and what it needs for sustainment, healing and growth. I have fallen down the supplement rabbit holes. I used some of them. But i learned in the very beginning that nothing can match the nutritional power of food derived from the original source. Though i may have deviated in the past from the idea that whole food sources are all we need, i always circle back to it. Now, it's just S.O.P. for me. Everything we need is already provided in nature.
Dr. Berg pisses me off. He does indeed provide some super nutritional advice. And you can see he's changed his health for the better practicing what he preaches - mostly. Maybe he does take Vit D or Magnesium supplements. I don't know. But what i do know is that chemical concoctions are almost always more harmful in the long run than just making sure you have a balanced diet. There are innumerable ways to poison the human body - air, food, water, EMF, you name it. There's poison at every step along the mainstream food production chain. I am sure their supplement products are junk, at best.
I have to say though, that Drs. Berg, Berry and Ekberg have taught me (and millions of other people) about the dangers of metabolic dysfunction. I am better for it 1000 percent. I don't recall if Berry and Ekberg (The Health Champion!) recommend such supplementation, but if they do, it isn't much - Berry probably not at all. Ekberg might a little bit, i don't recall. But i know Berg pushes Vit D and Magnesium.
I started adding vitamin c to water / fruit tea instead of sugar as I like the taste. I have noticed my gums bleed a lot less when brushing my teeth since I started doing that.
Ok folks, don’t throw out your magnesium supplements quite yet.
Yes, it is good to question supplements, and it is true that many influencers exaggerate benefits. It is also true that magnesium is often over-marketed. But the author is basing her entire argument on a fundamental misunderstanding that leads to conclusions that do not line up with basic biology or chemistry.
1. Magnesium absolutely exists in nature in a form living organisms can use.
Plants cannot survive without magnesium. It is the central atom in chlorophyll. No magnesium means no photosynthesis, which means no plants and no oxygen. That alone tells us magnesium exists in a natural, bioavailable form.
2. The author is mixing up two completely different substances.
Elemental magnesium metal (the reactive metal that burns) is not the form found in soil, food, or the human body. All living systems use ionic magnesium, Mg²⁺, which is stable, safe, and present in seawater, groundwater, and plant tissue.
She is confusing:
Elemental magnesium metal (Mg⁰)
• Silver-gray metal
• Highly reactive
• Burns in air
• Never occurs freely in soil
• Not something you can eat
WITH
Ionic magnesium (Mg²⁺)
• Found in seawater, soil, plants, food, and your bloodstream
• Stable and non-reactive
• Not a chunk of metal
• Used by all living organisms
These two forms only share a name. They behave nothing alike. Treating them as the same substance leads to an incorrect narrative.
3. Many magnesium compounds exist naturally.
Examples include magnesium malate in apples, magnesium citrate in citrus fruits, magnesium sulfate in mineral springs, and magnesium chloride in seawater. These are natural. Supplements simply mimic these forms because they are already part of biological systems.
Her description of supplement manufacturing is also misleading. Yes, supplements are created by binding magnesium to acids or amino acids. But plants do this too. They bind magnesium to citric acid, malic acid, and amino acids like glycine. The industrial process is simply replicating natural biochemistry.
4. Magnesium is essential for human biology.
It regulates more than 300 processes, including muscle relaxation, nerve signaling, ATP production, DNA stability, and electrolyte balance. Life on earth is not possible without magnesium. This is basic cell biology.
5. Relief is not addiction, and returning symptoms are not proof of deception.
Stress, caffeine, alcohol, poor sleep, chronic inflammation, and many modern dietary patterns deplete magnesium. Feeling better when taking magnesium and worse when stopping does not mean dependence. It simply means your mineral levels changed, in the same way you get thirsty again after drinking water.
6. Soil depletion is real but does not mean magnesium was never present.
Modern agriculture often removes minerals faster than they are replaced. This is a farming issue, not proof that magnesium was not part of the human diet. The fact that so many plant foods naturally contain magnesium makes this claim one of the strangest parts of the article.
7. Should everyone supplement magnesium?
Not necessarily. Some people get enough through food, especially if they eat greens, nuts, seeds, legumes, and mineral-rich produce. Others benefit from additional intake if they are stressed, athletic, or low in dietary sources.
Magnesium glycinate feels calming partly because glycine itself is calming, which is an easy nuance to miss.
The point is not that everyone must take magnesium. The point is that the biological claims in the article do not match what we know about soil, plants, water, and human cells.
If you feel better without magnesium, that is completely valid.
If you feel better with it, that is also valid.
But stopping because “magnesium does not exist in nature” is a decision based on a misunderstanding of very basic science.
A more balanced takeaway is this: magnesium is real, natural, and essential but Supplement needs vary from person to person, and no mineral can replace the deeper work of lowering stress, nourishing the body, and supporting the nervous system.
You beat me to the punch. I had 90% of your comment ready to paste in and saw yours and said "Alright ... somebody gets it !"
Thank you - I started reading the article with interest and then all the big claims and definitive statements sent me straight to the comments to look for the sensible counter argument.
Ok, so I’m addicted to magnesium glycinate.. so what? My bloodwork is excellent and I sleep great when taking it…Is there a problem?
Nope! No problem at all.
All good, with one exception. There is no evidence that people are actually deficient in magnesium. As you correctly observe, it’s present in all plants, being the central feature in capturing solar energy, which provides the power for photosynthesis.
Consuming natures bounty ensures an ample supply of all nutrients. It’s about the most unlikely deficiency one could imagine.
Some deficiencies arise not from shortfalls in diet but disorders of absorption, but that isn’t the case here.
I used to regard the brightly lit shelves of “supplements” as benign placebos for the worried well.
A few years ago, I walked into one of these “health food stores”. These didn’t exist at all 40 years ago when I was studying biochemistry. The author has ably described the arc of this con very well, for it is a con. And I’m not at all sure they’re benign placebos either. I noticed several “supplements” being of biochemical products that I’d studied only because they were considered toxic. I remember thinking “Oh well, so much for my early 1980s lecturers, look how things have advanced”. Back then, when I first saw an unusual supplement that I’d never before heard of in this context, it never occurred to me that an industry might emerge not only to impoverish people, but to harm them. Unfortunately it’s what happens in every dimension in any corporate arrangement.
I don’t recommend any supplements. Eat well, exercise regularly, attend to quality & quantity of sleep as a bare minimum. There are no fixes in bottles of capsules that will override deficiencies in your diet, exercise and sleep. They might also actively harm you and they’ll certainly eat your bank balance.
How would you explain all of the people whose symptoms improve when they take magnesium supplements? And I absolutely agree that supplements are way of years old and often ineffective. Magnesium is one of the few supplements I actually take. I eat very well (or as well as you can in the current food systems of America), but I noticed a market difference in my energy levels if I am not taking magnesium.
Your original comment above was excellent. I don't think it's possible to refute this fallacious article any better. And the number of likes you received can attest to that. What's amazing is how many likes and reposts this article received. Simply incredible that so many can be misled. One thing I can add about that,.... Animals including the Alpine Ibex cannot be misled. They scale vertical walls of a dam, along with their kids, risking life and limb, to reach mineral salts they desperately crave. And Mg is a key component in many salts... https://hasanjasim.online/daring-goats-the-incredible-salt-seeking-climb-of-alpine-ibexes/
It would be silly to think they would go through all that, just for a sip of poison.
It is said chocolate cravings may hint at a magnesium deficiency.
Thank you! And heck yeah you can’t go wrong with chocolate as a magnesium source :) the goat thing is interesting, I didn’t know that.
Maybe Medicine Girl should go to Europe to warn the Alpine Ibex? LOL!
Pay no attention to her or Dr. Mike Yeadon. Both are big time disinformation spreaders.... https://ohbaby.substack.com/p/the-incredible-evil-in-suppressing/comment/189058030
Is this the same Dr. Yeadon who worked for Pfizer? If so, he’s trying to get the truth out there. And like some Drs. he’s not making money on his information. I have respect for him.
Levels of EMF exposure may be at play. Recommend looking into magnesium's role in the voltage-gated calcium channels, and how EMFs can affect those.
I would explain it as a symptom suppressant and/or placebo. Perhaps the symptoms are occurring because the body is trying to detox all the poisonous magnesium introduced?
Hannah, magnesium is crucial for the production of ATP, the molecule our bodies overwhelmingly use for energy. If magnesium levels are low then we may feel less energy. Vice versa, if we take magnesium we may experience a bump in energy.
If you have not already studied it, glycolysis and ATP production in the cell is a good thing to become familiar with. It’s a crucial part of understanding basic biology that doesn’t get the attention it deserves (even in bio classes!)
I first learned about ATP from one Dr Robert Lustig on the Diary of a CEO podcast. I'm certainly a layman in this area, but the topic interests me as I am interested in diet and health. He was speaking about ATP production and how a diet - say keto, when done right - was very efficient and clean way for ATP production. Whereas, refined sugars, highly processed carbs, or even just eating excess calories will stress your body with free radical artifacts, slower and sluggish energy production, insulin spikes all resulting in fatigue, brain fog, developing health issues, even accelerated aging over a longer term.
https://substack.com/@clivedecarle/note/c-209914230?r=1bxwe7&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
"I don’t recommend any supplements..... There are no fixes in bottles of capsules that will override deficiencies in your diet...."
The Big Pharma hand puppet strikes again with more propaganda. Dr. Mike Yeadon thinks we are all idiots. He uses his 40 years in Research and Development to mislead and deceive. As shown by his ridiculous take on Ivermectin being a violent fertility toxin... https://substack.com/@ohbaby/note/c-67552347
The man truly is a despicable character. But let us entertain his notion on supplements, just for our amusement....
93,917 studies have been done on Mg in just the last 20 years... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/?term=magnesium+benefits&sort=relevance&filter=dates.2007-2026&timeline_expanded=true
No,.. it couldn't possibly be beneficial to correct an insufficiency? LOL!
Even with purchasing whole foods, sold on store shelves, you might not be getting the nutrients that you should be getting. Cause if the soil or feed is depleted in nutrients, with the advent of industrial farming practices, they won’t be in the food either. Everything grown and produced these days, is largely by corporate interests and the ruling class. Nothing but empty calories and nutrient deficient food, all in an attempt to make us sick and dependent on pharmaceuticals.... https://ohbaby.substack.com/p/colonialism-as-we-now-know-it
I know, it might sound far fetched, but we know for a fact, industrial farming practices does indeed turn healthy soil into dust blown dirt. Leaving livestock unable to graze and being forced fed GMO grain. That sound like nutrient dense food to you?
Supplemental nutrients are now necessary. Established shortages exist in Mg, D3 and K2 (Mk-7) in the general population. Older adults have even further nutrient concerns... https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020/3/5/1826530/-The-Importance-Of-Nutrients-To-An-Aging-Population-And-Beat-Back-Viruses
And it's all a line of crap that supplementation will eat away at your hard earned wagers. For 16 bucks a month, you can get D3, Mg, K2 (Mk'7), and a quality multi-vitamin. Costing less than a night out dining. And for an extra 2 bucks you can also get NAC, to boost your Glutathione stores. Your most powerful alley... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11115795/
You lose any credibility when you attack someone’s character and don’t stick to providing proof to your stance on the subject. Highly unprofessional and discredits you.
I'm sorry you feel that way, and normally I would agree with you. But for Mike and Medicine Girl and a few others I must make exceptions and call them out. They deliberately and purposely lie and deceive to mislead the masses. And that my friend is very harmful and down right evil. We have to call them out, just like the government's line of "safe and effective." It is no different.
And if you read the links provided, you'll see I supplied more than enough evidence of their devious intentions. Had they been just some people misled by the propaganda, I would give them a pass. But these two know very well what they are doing. Mike is a career researcher and scientist and very much knows better. And Medicine Girl makes like she was misled her whole life, that there is no deficiency, and that all the studies are bull. How can any researcher possibly believe that? How many were there in the last 20 years,... 94,000? And with her collaboration with Agent131711,... famous for his "Vitamin D is Rat Poison" she does not get a pass. All total, the 3 of them have over 50,000 subscribers. That's a lot of people that can be harmed by their disinformation.... https://ohbaby.substack.com/p/the-incredible-evil-in-suppressing/comment/189058030
But I do have to admit, my Irish does act up a bit in my distain for them.
I am not really surprised you feel the way you do, with you liking many of Dr. Yeadon's and Medicine Girl's posts and comments.
100% yeadon is a zionist elite puppet
There are tests for magnesium levels, so clearly these could detect a deficiency: https://www.questhealth.com/product/magnesium-test-622M.html
There are also many research studies specifically on magnesium deficiency, for example: https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article-abstract/111/11/759/4209351
Be quiet you satanic paedophile zionist puppet
All plant life is being sprayed with chem trails which include heavy metals etc. Is organic food still organic? According to what I understand from Dr. Clifford Carnicom and his 30 year work history studying chem trails I have to wonder about our food. Many have said our water and food are contaminated. There is a doctor online who uses food to heal different issues, and then adds supplements as a last resort. Each time I read it I think of Dr. Carnicom. Grocery stores are also using Apeel and read about it a couple of times and then not at all. They use it on organic vegetables and fruits for a longer shelf life. If you ask the produce person in charge hopefully they will be honest. I believe you can thank Bill G. for that. We have a garden that is supposedly organic until I found out that the soil we brought in was compost taken from people's yards that used herbicides etc. If you add what they are spraying then we are being poisoned. I hope I am wrong, but have been trying to piece it all together. I do know that the state of Tennessee banned chem trails, but someone said they do it anyway. Supplements aren't regulated, so I get them from my Functional Medicine Doctor who can find out about the companies she buys from. Magnesium does affect about 300 chemical processes in the body and you would have to eat a lot of whatever to get the amount needed to cover these processes. A conundrum.
Omg. Thank you for this complete comment.
Thank you, these are all excellent points. Some of MG's misunderstandings concerning the periodic table have carried over into this latest post.
One very common place we find magnesium ions is in hard water. The hardness is mostly calcium ions but magnesium can account for as much as 20% of the total hardness. In hard water the primary counter ion (negative) is bicarbonate. If you boil the water the bicarbonate is decomposed to carbonate and the less soluble magnesium and calcium carbonates drop out of solution.
In my work I do elemental analysis using primarily ICP Mass Spectrometry and ion chromatography. Ion chromatography is great for separating and measuring Na, K, Ca and Mg.
Hard water is good, if it's not too hard, or tainted with skanky volcanic deposits...
Absolutely nailed it! Magnesium is necessary to cellular life.
Transdermal Magnesium Therapy by Dr. Mark Sircus. A great thorough book to have!
Indeed and it’s amply present in numerous, freely available foods. Therefore, there’s no need to waste money buying pretend supplements for a deficiency you don’t have & risking unwanted effects from the unnatural presentation of what may even be an overdose of something that cannot happen in nature.
Bullshit
Spot on Dr. Yeadon.
Best TRANSDERMAL ointment: https://helsekjelda.no/blogs/bruksomrader
But where does the magnesium come from that is actually used in supplements?
Is it coming from the elemental magnesium metal?
Or, are you saying that the various types of magnesium supplements are actually coming from bottling-up "magnesium malate in apples", "magnesium citrate in citrus fruits", etc. ?
So, if magnesium malate is in apples, are you saying that "magnesium malate" supplements are made from apples?
Good question. If you’re asking about the various salts of magnesium, I.e. magnesium, citrate, magnesium malate these would be the simple products of reacting, magnesium carbonate with either citric acid or malic acid. Magnesium carbonate is the most commonly used natural mineral utilized as a precursor for most industrial processes. It is mined from the ground as magnesite. Magnesium metal is a very labor intensive, and expensive end product and would never be used to make inexpensive supplements.
I think you proved my point. Thanks.
Actually, I'm unsure how...
My comment didn’t confirm your point — it actually addressed a different issue. You asked where the magnesium in supplements comes from; I explained industrial processes (using magnesium carbonate, not fruit-derived compounds, nor elemental magnesium metal). So my answer maintains that supplements aren’t made from food sources like apples or citrus, but from mineral + organic acid reactions — which is the opposite of what you suggested.
Just eat the apple.
Well ... more like 40 apples (per day, @ 4-5 mg of Mg / 100g of apple from ALL sources -- not just mg-malate) to get the 400 mg of Mg that is typically recommended as a supplement to an average diet from a typical OTC product. That's why it's a supplement. You can't practically eat 40 apples a day.
If you couldn't eat that many apples why would we want to take such a large amount in a supplement if we wouldn't naturally get that from food?
It may not be a problem of intake, but adequate absorption. I started taking magnesium recommended by a holistic dentist. I have noticed a remarkable difference in many areas and I hate taking any supplements. But this one I'll continue with.
Yes I notice a difference when I take it too. Not to my teeth sadly but to my anxiety and body pain.
Great comment. Magnesium gave me my life back
How?
It solved my back problems I had for decades... https://ohbaby.substack.com/p/another-beneficial-enzyme-lumbrokinase?utm_source=publication-search
If lacking in cofactors they are also needed for magnesium to be beneficial.
Thank you for taking the time to write and share this comment 🙏🏻 go science!
Wow .. thank you for such a lengthy and in-depth piece. I hadn’t done any research yet but was a bit hook line and sinker after reading the article
Lol it's ai
Thanks.....saved me a lot of angry typing.
I just started taking mag glycinate and it is fixing a whole host of muscular issues I never knew were related or from magnesium deficiency. Also part of organic fertilizer for your garden is epson salts aka magnesium
While I enjoy the contrarian look, Medicine Girl should be aware that EMF from electronics, wi-fi, disrupts calcium levels, as we absorb calcium via VGCCs (voltage-gated calcium channels). This would fulfill the argument as to why we need more daily now than ever. Epsom salts and sea salt is a great way we can absorb more Mg. Medicine Girl - please chime in if you see this. Thank you!
Epsom salts may not be a good way to ingest Mg.
I should have read your note before posting my own. You articulated my basic concerns with her position in a clear and supported way without being mean. Note sure I met the same standard. Well done.
I'm so interested in alternative medicine that I love this site for its alternative view of alternative medicine. And if anyone has an alternative view of that alternative view of alter...you know the rest. I like bloody alternatives!
I have magnesium salts and the like about the house and I won't be throwing them out, no more than I'll throw out the DMSO or the emu oil. But I won't be reaching for them any time soon, unless it's to fiddle a bit with a new experiment on my own body.
I love hearing from MG about her doubts and reservations on these substances. I'm not going to shriek "how dare you!" because someone has taken the trouble to describe, in solid detail, the possible downsides. Moreover, I'm more than a touch suspicious of the alternative industry and its internet stars.
Ever notice how they praise a food for having a tiny percentage of daily requirement of some essential mineral or vitamin? To get the full requirement of magnesium, for example, I'd have to do some pretty bizarre eating. So what are they up to? Is it part of the supplement selling game?
Anyway, I just ate a bowl of steaming brown rice with parsley pesto for breakfast. Doctor Tummy and Doctor Palate didn't explain why. They simply told me to just do it. (Sometimes they sound like a Nike commercial, but they're nearly always right.)
I hear you, and you’re right to call it out. I’m not neutral on substances that don’t belong in the body. If something is synthetic, industrial, or pulled out of its natural context in a way the body was never designed to handle, I’m not for it. My work isn’t about debating preferences. It’s about pointing out when we’ve been convinced to use things that never would have shown up in a natural environment.
That’s the difference.
I’m not judging anyone for having magnesium oil or DMSO or anything else in their home. Most people, including me years ago, were simply following what we were taught to believe was “necessary.” My stance now is that if a substance doesn’t exist in nature in the form we’re putting on or into the body, it doesn’t belong there. Full stop.
That being said, I love having discussions on here, not name-calling but these discussions I don’t want an echo chamber of I am right and you’re wrong but a discussion between those of us who are awakening to reality need to start figuring out how the world actually operate so we can use it to our advantage and live in our potential
Mg supplements only gave me diarrhea. :)
Looking at what DMSO does to the body, it's anything but "safe":
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/why-is-dmso-being-popularized
Typically cheap MgOxide - giving diarrea, a decent drug against constipation. Best supplement : Magnesium Sulphate- transdermal...
Especially for pregnant women.
Aren't most pharmaceuticals derived from petroleum? I understand what the Rockefellers did to the health industry, is it your argument that all pharmaceuticals are suspect?
I agree & would go further if I could.
I’d regulate pharmaceuticals out of business, and create a small, home manufactured generics industry. Very few drugs would make it onto the list.
Pumpkin seeds are a tasty source of readily available magnesium. And apple cider vinegar is high in malic acid.... magnesium..
I like to take ACV in water with lemon juice 30 minutes before eating. It helps to alkalize the system.
There are definite symptoms produced when we are deficient in magnesium or any other nutrient so don't go throwing the baby out with the bath water. A lot of Dr Berg's nutritional advice is spot on and he helps thousands who would not get valuable information otherwise.
And don't abandon your DMSO just because a substack writer who has not done years of experimenting with it says so!
And I do use magnesium chloride flakes (aka as nigari) in cooking in place of salt for a .magnesium kick. This was recommended by the late Dr Walter Last, a fantastic chemist who went to New Zealand to practice nutrition after fleeing Germany. He authored a number of excellent books on using simple remedies, like bicarbonate of sodium and borax ( for the boron content) if you want reliable information without an agenda check out his work.
Sodium bicarbonate finally gave me relief from chronic UTIs. I tried every other natural remedy to no avail. Simple baking soda, a tsp a day.
💯 agree it’s even in my book on how to solve. I personally wouldn’t take it every day unless you had something that was unchangeable and chronic, but it is incredibly powerful and I’ve seen it work with my hospice patients.
How does the food industry make sodium bicarbonate then?
Sounds as - chronic Hyperoxaluria - relieved from the Bicarbonate...
That was probably the extra bicarbonate doing the work there, as it's essential for proper immune function
Curious to know if you tried any homeopathic medicines for UTI ?
Eunice, the problem is that everyone else is saying these positive things re magnesium etc. I come to this site for an alternative view. If it's a bit strong on criticism, skepticism...good!
I've got all the usual remedies about the house and try them all. None seem to hurt much, most don't do much. Too many people recommend stuff because Barbara or Amandha said so. I'll listen to those people, but the main convincer is results from trying stuff on my own body. No result? I move on, willing to try again later. (Tonight I'm trying straight ginger on a persistent bush rash...and it seems to be working. Actually! We'll see.)
Hey, pumpkin seeds! I buy them in bulk, put a bunch of them in a large blender with all the other soft seeds I like, then, after seasoning with celery seed and salt, I blitz it all to a mash with Aussie olive oil. This butter is especially good heaped on date halves. Mind you, I'm not trying to get more magnesium, I'm out to enjoy pumpkin seeds.
The key is to find enjoyment in real food, not to find novel rigmaroles or new gurus. Rigmaroles and gurus fade, the love of real food remains. My main guide is Professor Appetite. (And I'm very grateful to Doctor Stomach for warning me that those heart-healthy seed oils are only good for preserving timber if I run out of diesel sump oil.)
I buy 5 lb bags of pumpkin seeds in bulk from Azure and feed them to my critters -- goats chickens & dogs as well.theyvare natural deformed especially when combined with raw garlic. I have been a student of natural heath for decades ans studied with various Japanese tea hers before formally studying Chinese Medicine and homeopathy. I never used supplements very much other than castor oil and got into herbs and essential oils about 50 years ago. I do think many supplements can be quite helpful when taken purposely. For instance, cayenne pepper and niacin are great to take now to stimulate blood flow and decongest the body to help prevent colds. I have used D3 & k2 with zinc to help resolve infections. Medicine girl is fairly young-- I am almost 79 and ailments I have encountered the past decade -- like a stroke caused by a dental procedure and my femur shearing off when my dog threw me on a cement floor required measures that far exceeded my normal needs for pain relief, swelling reduction, and healing.itbis easy to be critical when you have never been desperate for an effective fix, or injuried far beyond anything you could imagine.
When my hip was broken I had to drag myself over 60 feet to my phone to get to my phone.my hip was not only broken but dislocated. It took me over an hour. It took me almost a year to recover. And I used lots of supplements.and medical cannabis some worked, some didn't. Everyone has to find what works for them. I can't eat brown rice anymore Robert-- unless it is toasted and finely ground them made into porridge with crushed seeds. My favorite combo is chia, flax, sunflower & pumpkin.
Eunice, my aunt just this week also suffered from a stroke caused by a dental procedure, would appreciate any advice for recovery
Ooh, I love the sound of your pumpkin seed mash. Do you use roasted seeds? Which other seeds do you put in?
Could enjoy a change with roasted, but I use raw. Any other soft seed can hit the mix: hemp, sunflower, sesame even...but the main theme is pumpkin. One day I'll do another brew with just hemp seed. Tried it once and...good!
Something I never forget to add is celery salt. Make my own with wild celery seeds and good salt blitzed together. I add it to just about everything. I may be buried with it.
https://store.wholeheartedfoods.com/product-category/product-categories/raw-seed/
grown here
"There are definite symptoms produced when we are deficient in magnesium or any other nutrient so don't go throwing the baby out with the bath water."
I have a question. Who told you you were 'deficient' in magnesium and how was that determined?
And in my basic understanding of the scientific method, proving x causes y gets a little shaky without an independent variable. Symptoms are the effect. Effects can be caused by many things. Making a claim that certain symptoms are caused by a 'lack' of a specific compound would have to be very tightly controlled each step of the way- and even then, there are issues with 'proving a negative'. Most likely, as with most similar 'deficiency' claims, they are not controlled for (see "vitamins" foundational papers- it's all assumption-based junk and lab voodoo).
That said, I am not denying that anyone who takes a pill or powder that is run through a chemical odyssey in a lab may see {{short term}}effects (maybe 'good', maybe bad). That's what taking pharmaceuticals do.
As Dr Berg mentions testing the blood for Magnesium doesn't work because it is all tied up in various tissues.
I recognized the symptoms in myself after learning about the values of Magnesium as a aenior-- it is involved with hundreds of biochemical reactions. after supplementing Via nutrition and Magnesium citrate powder I felt a huge improvement in. Y overall health. I don't rely upon doctors to tell me how I am feeling.magnesium deficiency when you are older can lead to heart problems so dismissing it as a scam is stupid. Medicine girl is walking on dangerous ground because too many today are influenced by characters on social media with an agenda and hers is to dish every remedy she deems BAD.
Eunice, all mineral tests are surrogate (marker) tests. Basically what that means is that they are not detecting 'magnesium' that is found in nature (you should really re-read the article). They are looking for chemical matches. There are all sorts of issues with this including all the inferences and assumptions made about any biological meaning (what is actually happening in the human body). The claims that are made of one being "deficient" in whatever these tests are looking for and run through a spectrometry machine are specious.
Forget what you have been told and start from the beginning. What is actually in the supplement you are taking? How is it made? And is it possibly the same thing you are told is found in nature?
If you like taking synthetics made up in a lab that have been given the name "magnesium"... and they subsequently "work" on whatever your symptoms are, you can certainly keep taking them. Make sure to keep an eye on longer term health outcomes (and other effects)... because it's just a pharmaceutical like any other common lab-derived drug.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating- it is reasonable to believe that if Magnesium do relieve symptoms, the symptoms could be caused by the lack og Magnesium...
I'm also wondering about Epsom salt baths, but the next post(s) might clarify their physiology.
MSDS is an obvious part of a psyop:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/why-is-dmso-being-popularized
Dunno about emu oil. :)
What's your thinking with emu oil then? Have you heard of any issues with it or know of any articles you can share?
In general, I believe that the body has genetic memory, so it's best to stick to ingesting the same things my grandparents used to. Yes, the skin ingests, too:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/to-eat-or-not-to-eat
Adaptability can be pushed only so far, and every single factor adds to the stress it causes. The stress factor building up alone can make someone sick.
I couldn't find the link where I mentioned my stroke Anyway, I had access to my extensive collection of herbs, supplements and th erapeutic essential oils and other remedies. The hospital where I was sent to had a very good health food store in the same complex and friends arranged for the owner to bring me fresh vegetable juices. I also got kefir, took pysillum seed and activated charcoal to counteract radiation from all the catscans. I ate some fresh fruit and took some vitamins ( natural b's)I refused all drugs and got kicked of the hospital and was transferred 150 miles to a nursing home where I could have access to massage( they would not let me have massage therapists at the hospital) I also had outdoor a cess at the nursing home so I went out in my wheel chair to do grounding and. Breathing e,exercises
There is not enough room to go into detail here about my protocol.i went from total paralysis on my rightside to now 7 years later,walking with a cane. I have residual stiffness in two fingers& three toes which makes certain activities more difficult. I avoid all processed foods, only use white rice and whole organic corn as my grains. I make masa marinade from the corn. I eat a variety of vegetables and fruits, organic meats( liver several times a week) a and only use stevia as a sweetener. My other protein foods include low oxalate nuts and seeds, whey, eggs and rarely chicken and turkey. Some dairy products but.because most even organic milk is ultrapasturized I avoid it. I never eat out. I take prepared foods with when I travel.
But I have been eating this way for decades. Someone eating a traditional American diet would have to make other adjustments. I also fast and sometimes only eat one meal a day, but I drink a lot of tea.I am also moderately active. Hope this helps. I did have a great chiropractor in the beginning of my recovery.Because I refused statins I was labeled medically non-compliant and refused care from the medical establishment.
When I don't take magnesium glycinate evey day, I get painful leg, ankle cramps. I'll continue to take it as long as I see positive results.
Robert, could I possibly get your recipe for parsley pesto? I eat brown, red or black rice, millet, quinoa and other grains for many breakfasts. Sometimes with lentil or bean sprouts. Many times with tahini sauce. I’m always looking for new sauce ideas and I’ve never heard of parsley pesto although I’ve made green tahini sauce with parsley.
Love the red rice. Just bought a new load. I long-soak it then just pressure cook, absorption method. Mmm.
Andrea, I'm not much on proportions or recipes, but here goes...
I peel lots of garlic cloves and throw them in a strong blender with soft nuts like pine nuts or walnuts or combo. I've even been known to use hemp seeds. After I've crammed the blender with as much parsley as I can pick and fit in I weight the lot down with lumps of good hard cheese, usually Grana Padano. I pour in plenty of local Aussie olive oil, preferring strong stuff, and whizz it all to a paste. That's it!
Thank you. Sounds great. I might even try pumpkin seeds in it. Love raw garlic too. Just not right before going out. LOL
Modern pesto is made in a blender or food processor with garden greens as well as trad basil
Got arugula? Or parsley - etc
Its as bs as big pharma, they just make more money
I like alternatives too! Happy New Year
If you’re waking up at 3 am, for 99 percent of the population, it’s because of a hormonal imbalance. The good news is it’s possible to balance them naturally. We go into the physiology if you’re interested: https://bodylogic101.substack.com/
Another great article MG!!! Thank you. I keep seeing this sentence over and over again in my head: "They believed they were correcting something the body could not fix on its own." EXACTLY! We have been conditioned to believe that God's design is defective and that these monsters in labcoats can somehow correct or improve upon God's design. NOT. (Circumcision is another good example of this nonsense with the monsters claiming they are improving on God's design. NOT. It's a total luciferian reversal -- a complete satanic lie).
I want to add that several of the symptoms you mention in your article... i.e., muscle cramps, bad sleep, etc. -- these are symptoms caused by exposure to pulsed microwave radiation. Smart meters are the worst in terms of inducing muscle cramps. The reason magnesium helps is because the pulsed microwaves activate what are called "voltage-gated calcium channels" (see here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcmm.12088/pdf*). This causes way too much calcium to flood the body and since magnesium is a calcium channel blocker, it can be used to offset this activation, which will improve symptoms. What it will not do is address the root of the problem, which is exposure to wireless radiation/pulsed microwaves. The key to true healing lies in getting out of the radiation, especially during sleep, which means unplugging and turning off all wireless devices at night - no exceptions. They all have to be unplugged or turned off. Turning off circuits in the house can help. Better yet is to get rid of every single wireless device (this is my choice) and get your technology wired.
Such great points Jeanice! I have been so suspect of all the EMFs that we have been inundated with in the last decade. And… The circumcision lie gets me so over-the-top mad!
The topic of circumcision is enraging to those with a heart and a few brain cells still firing. How fucking dare they attack newborn infants and cut off the most sensitive part of their penises for no medical reason whatsoever and with no anethestic 96% of the time!!! It is medical torture and, in fact, it is satanic ritual abuse used for purposes of mind control and disempowering the male energy on our earth. It creates an imprint of helplessness in our men, which is the point and the reason we have millions of men fully armed in American who have not fired a single shot at the evil creatures responsible for trying to destroy us and this earth. Instead they shoot at innocent bears and other helpless animals to make themselves feel powerful. It's very sad.
I'm so flipping fed up with these medical monsters. I want them out of my reality, permanently.
This topic really gets me fired up. I wrote an 80-page chapter in my birth trauma book about circumcision and the filthy creatures behind this evil. My book is called "Birth Trauma and the Dark Side of Modern Medicine". It has, of course, been banned by Amazon and elsewhere. If interested, you can find the book in MG and Agent's Kofi shop in flipbook form (sorry, don't have link) or on my website in paperback and PDF form here: https://www.birthofanewearth.com/1/birth-trauma-and-the-dark-side-of-modern-medicine/
Regarding the EMF's, I have written a book about that too (in flipbook form on MG and Agent's Kofi site or in paperback or PDF form on my website here: https://www.birthofanewearth.com/1/are-wireless-devices-really-safe/
I've also created an entire website about this topic and all the information is FREE: http://RadiationDangers.com
It’s so much better to listen your own body and gut. And do your own research not just read medicine girls articles or Scientologist Dr Eric Berg or Lee Merritt. Dig deeper than this.
Work with a functional nutritional therapist, or some kind of holistic practitioner who meets you were your at and recognizes your bio individuality.
Do your own homework beautiful people. This woman is just not to be trusted I feel. She is equal to these people she speaks of in my eyes.
I used to read her stuff and now I see it and I’m like yea, whatever. Not interested in the fear mongering queen who attacks everyone and everything.
Blah blah blah , all fear no solutions.
This comes from my own studies, education, knowledge and experiences. And you know who has been my greatest teacher? My own body. My clients bodies, the paitents I worked with when I worked for some MDs
My background is alternative heath and wellness for over 20 years, and the healing arts. I was never an RN or any kind of nurse as she was. I knew that was not my path in allopathic medicine ever.
I would have been fired day 1 of being a an allopathic nurse.
I been as natural as can be since a kid.
Ha. Went to a functional med Dr who charged me an arm and leg for testing and supplements off of Fullscripts website. Each month he would add more supplements and testing. After a year with no changes or improvements I stopped going. Then I found a Naturopathic dr with a bunch of other credentials and she too had her own new age tests and charts and special supplements she highly recommended etc and then some! Neither of their visits were cheap. Neither were individualized to me, they went by lab results and prescribed norms and charts and guidelines and so much more. They both used me as guinea pig to try new machines and inventions etc…. Why did I go to them in the first place? Because I did not want to go on HRT and needed some relief from menopausal symptoms after trying everything else with no luck. I quit both and saved myself a lot of time and money as yes I had plenty of issues and reactions to the supplements and vitamins they prescribed and suggested. I know so many people who buy every supplement, elixir, vitamin, essential oil etc and can’t travel without their stuff and treat it like a religion. IMO follow the $$$. My stomach and my health and sanity are so much better now without all the “stuff” :)
My question Jae Bee is, did you read THIS particular article? I too question everything, and everyone. But it makes much sense when MG talks about the chemicalizing of products for money making that many believe in after hearing from so many who are selling us this stuff. From reading this article sounds like magnesium pills fall into that category of chemicalized poisons pretending to be healthy. It’s all about the money, imo. Now when I see the ‘alternative’ or other doctors with their many commercials selling their chemical products I don’t believe in them or anything they sell anymore, it seems evil to me. Karma is going to be a bitch for them when/if some people suffer effects, even if it takes a long while for those effects to show up. I fell for it for a while and bought some of their products, what bs. I’ve had a few bad reactions from some things and learned my lesson.
GREAT COMMENT. Well-reasoned.
Agree. Pretty much in the same boat. I will say that I am not out any money by listening and that I encouraged to at the very least to learn more. Thanks for your thoughtful post.
Na, or elemental sodium, is very unstable, much like Mg. Just because, as an element, it explodes in water does not mean we should not ingest NaCl.
A large number of patients have low Mg on lab tests. Of course, the lab test could be a scam.
I think questioning authority with different points of view is healthy but can be taken too far.
I guess we should only question authority to the point where we still let them run all over us. Especially medical authorities.
The same argument can be made for potassium just like for sodium and Mg.
MG may turn out to be correct in that Mg supplements may be useless but the line of arguments that are used ( i.e they do not exist in their elemental form) doesn't seem to correct.
All atoms have a charge positive or negative in their outer rings-- which makes them so attractive to one another. Think gender-- the original boy-girl story....
These bonds can be very strong depending upon the elements. Like water-- hydrogen & oxygen.hydrogen is the smallest atom and very powerful
One reason water is a great thermal mass-- think lakes and oceans is because it can store energy. They make bonbs from hydrogen atoms ya know .
Interestingly they used to teach basic chemistry in grade school along with others science stuff like hydrology and the fact that sun powers everything in our universe. But basic knowledge is a dangerous thing and that is why the majority of medicine Girl's readers never heard of atoms or charges ( or just forgot ya know?)
What you are repeating here is not evidence. It is what you have been told.
There is no direct evidence supporting these claims in the way you are implying. What exists are mathematical models, computer simulations, and instrument artifacts that are then interpreted by institutions. Numbers on screens are not self validating. Someone assigns meaning to them.
Atoms having charges in their outer rings is not an observed fact. It is a model description. Electron behavior is inferred through indirect measurement and translated through theory. That distinction matters.
Chemical bonding is not observed as attraction between opposites in a literal sense. It is described through probabilistic math and energy minimization frameworks. Those explanations are agreed upon models, not witnessed mechanisms.
Hydrogen being powerful because it is small is not evidence based. That is narrative. Hydrogen bombs are not proof of anything at the chemical or biological level. Nuclear fusion physics is inferred from experiments that rely on detectors and interpretation, not direct observation of particles behaving as described.
Water’s thermal properties are measured outcomes. The explanation for why those measurements occur is theoretical. Again, numbers plus interpretation.
The sun powering life is a functional observation. The mechanism for how energy moves from fusion to photons to biochemical pathways is reconstructed through layers of theory and instrumentation.
None of this means the models are useless. It means they are models. Not truth. Not proof. Not direct knowledge. Great for passing a test and proving you can do what you were told, no critical thinking required
Presenting institutional explanations as settled reality while mocking others for questioning them is not science.
If only we had a more educated population we wouldn’t have these problems. No economics. No chemistry. No biology. The general population is hoodwinked by government goons and narcissistic influencers coming and going because they know so little.
MG cannot be accurately measured via blood tests because it is i Your tissues being used an Autopsy would be more accurate. Up for that?
Anyone who thinks an autopsy would be more accurate for anything but examining what happens when life is removed is a servant for Pharmakeia black magic, and the occult
Hi Medicine Girl,
hard lessons here……I dumped doctors 35 years ago and have leaned into the supplement world.
I was already waking up to the fraud in recent years, dumped Vit D, colloidal silver, bentonite clay - holding onto Castor & magnesium as the last to fall.
Kinda wish this information was a few months ago, before re-ordering!
thank you, I’m grateful for your research, please don't destroy my celtic salt next - I remineralise my reverse osmosis water.
Thats my last pillar for health!
I just threw out the magnesium/calcium gummies I was taking at night b/c the nightmares they were giving me were life-disrupting.
I’m just going to continue eating healthy food and turn off the guru noise. I’m in menopause and my health really ain’t nothin’ to play with.
No, it never it but as we get older, we need to be extra careful and avoid the diseases of modern medicine and food pumped with toxins.
That part. It has been a challenge getting affordable non-toxic food. My latest go too is the farmers market. But that isn’t sustainable in this economy. Might become a breatharian lol
those additives and stabilizers, are drugs unto themselves
I agree. I’ve been a carb addict for 35 years. I know part of that is the other mess they put in what I was addicted to. Smh
I have to ask. Who’s paying you? Big pharma or the government? All you seem to do is run down things that work on almost every post
Tell me why would the government or big Pharma be paying me for something they financially benefit from? Where is the money when you stop using something??? And since you feel the need to troll I’m curious as to how that works in your mind.
I definitely no longer trust you, anything you post. I was once and curious and interested. Now I’m am like oh another blah blah blah from Medicine girl.
Yet you take the time to read and comment lol
Your article popped up on my feed and I thought I will leave a comment and speak my mind. Cause honestly I am tired of your fear based output. And I have the freedom to express, just like you do.
I don’t hold back I say how I feel and I feel you like feeding only fear to the masses with zero solutions. Maybe some of it is truth. But why should people read your stuff and believe you?
That’s the problem with the world today is that people read one sentence, one article and adopt as their own.
Just like everyone else you speak having this background or this one- x military or so a so.- not to be trusted.
Fear is a low frequency, low vibration. And that is all you broadcast to the world. Do people read your articles and feel empowered? Inspired? I don’t think so. Probably more like lost and scared.
Keep serving FEAR Robin with zero solutions. Keep people scared, the world is scary enough.
Go ahead and lol. I don’t care. why should we trust an x RN? You might be a phony too.
Idk if you know this but having your core beliefs challenged is hard, and it's not easy to break cognitive dissonance and programming...
The fear of being deficient in these make believe amounts of chemicals is relieving
... I feel relieved knowing I don't need to buy unregulated supplements likely made from who knows what
I simply agree with you.
First of all I need to apologize. I didn’t read your post. I read your post on chlorine dioxide, DMSO and colloidal silver which I disagreed with. So I assumed it was the same. Thus my comment. First I need to say that I am in my 70’s. My blood work is close to perfect and I take 0 medications. I have used chlorine dioxide and DMSO . I have done blood work after using and blood work improved. I have used colloidal silver but didn’t do bloodwork but the results seemed good. I would generally agree with you to use natural things and not chemicals but I make exceptions for these. I don’t really understand your comment on why would big pharma want to take away when they make money. They have been trying to destroy alternative medicines,vitamins etc for years because they’re is no money in it for big pharma. Back to magnesium. I always say get your vitamins and nutrients from your food. To do that you would have to grow it yourself. I know that’s not possible for most people. So whatever supplements you take need to be derived from food not chemicals mold fillers and whatever else they come up with. Supplements from anything but food are causing more harm than good.
There is a possibility that these things work, pharma knows it and so wants them discredited to sell their patented products
However, following logic, people who would not trust supplements (because they've just been discredited), they would never buy "patented products" either.
The question is why pharma / government would be against these
Because ‘the government’ and ‘big Pharma’ are not primarily motivated by financial factors - remember, ‘the government’ and ‘big Pharma’ are intrinsic elements of TPTB - hence, they are essentially The Money - TPTB can conjure unlimited quantities of lucre out of thin air. And it is is plainly evident that TPTB prefer it when folk are sick - the more sickness, the happier they are.
It is not about money. That tired old adage, ‘follow the money’ only leads you as far as the cheap, biddable, corrupted functionaries.
I think mg just heads in the direction of simple healthy food, rest, sun and exercise. Who needs more than that? Besides sex and coffee. And music. And laughs. Stop me when I get to tiny white tablets made in industrial factories on polluting feed stock
You not reading the article thoroughly, are you?
No I’ve read many others that were nonsense I didn’t bother
Another generalization...
Your comment would be more relevant, if you came up with specifics to start a discussion.
I was going to ask the same thing
Lol right ?
You really, really ought to undertake a serious study of chemistry. This is a breathtakingly ignorant post.
🥱
Hah. That attitude explains everything.
Okay, now write an article on the magnesium the body actually uses, Mg2+. Btw, supplemental magnesium fixed my uncle’s a-fib. That’s far better than being put on the cardiac drugs they’d like to prescribe you. Which begs the question, why did you write an article discussing elemental magnesium that the body obviously doesn’t use, implying that we don’t need magnesium, which is a bunch of buncome, and completely omit Mg2+ the type of magnesium the body actually uses and needs. I’ve never read your stack before, no idea who you are, your stack was suggested to me, but appears that you have a poor grasp of biochemistry or you are purposefully misleading people. Not a great look.
I totally agree. I guess I stick around for the humor factor and maybe because I can’t look away. People follow and believe this shit.
I am very much NOT a fan of Dr. Berg
We are very much in agreement
Haven't heard from you in awhile. How goes it?
2 questions:
1. Salt begins as a rock. Our bodies do need salt- so- I understand what you are saying in the article but I just wondering how this fits in.
2. Magnesium is part of our body. It is measured in routine lab work- or do you believe this may not be true either? Maybe our labs are also made up?
Good grief, thousands of words to belabor the point that magnesium is supplements are in ionic form (eg a salt). Maybe for someone who spaced out in high school chemistry this is a surprise. There's nothing special about this, many (most?) nutrients which would be reactive in elemental form, do exist in a benign state as salts. Take sodium chloride - ordinary table salt. Both chlorine and sodium are wildly reactive on their own, but not when combined into salt. But that fact is utterly irrelevant to nutrition.
Below are the introductory facts, which don't require a dissertation to say them, about Magnesium:
1. it's an inorganic element that is important to the body
2. it's usually well regulated by the body
3. most people do not have any deficiency
4. much of what is reported as benefits is placebo effect
5. there may be some people who have trouble absorbing or metabolizing it
The above is a start, but it does not help the small group of people who genuinely need it, or the large number of people who don't know how to tell if they belong in that small group. Neither does anything in this excessively long and pointless article - despite what I was hoping when I decided to read it.
I'm so sorry, but this article is just as much a waste of time as most of the supplements it describes.
Unlike the supplements, neither the article nor your comment can harm anyone (with the possible exception of supplements companies).
I actually really appreciate medicine girls lens on All of this. I too am a former RN also having worked in hospice and was indoctrinated and brainwashed by the Rockefeller allopathic lie. I agree with so much of what MG says, but most of all, I think one of the hardest challenges is awakening and retraining our minds to think a whole different way. It really does make sense though!
💯💯
I've been learning about alternative and natural medicines since the late 90's. I am not an expert or a student, it's been for my own use and curiosity. During that time, i learned how the body really works and what it needs for sustainment, healing and growth. I have fallen down the supplement rabbit holes. I used some of them. But i learned in the very beginning that nothing can match the nutritional power of food derived from the original source. Though i may have deviated in the past from the idea that whole food sources are all we need, i always circle back to it. Now, it's just S.O.P. for me. Everything we need is already provided in nature.
Dr. Berg pisses me off. He does indeed provide some super nutritional advice. And you can see he's changed his health for the better practicing what he preaches - mostly. Maybe he does take Vit D or Magnesium supplements. I don't know. But what i do know is that chemical concoctions are almost always more harmful in the long run than just making sure you have a balanced diet. There are innumerable ways to poison the human body - air, food, water, EMF, you name it. There's poison at every step along the mainstream food production chain. I am sure their supplement products are junk, at best.
I have to say though, that Drs. Berg, Berry and Ekberg have taught me (and millions of other people) about the dangers of metabolic dysfunction. I am better for it 1000 percent. I don't recall if Berry and Ekberg (The Health Champion!) recommend such supplementation, but if they do, it isn't much - Berry probably not at all. Ekberg might a little bit, i don't recall. But i know Berg pushes Vit D and Magnesium.
I can't wait for the Vitamin C is a fraud article to come out. Everything is a hoax....what have you found that is real?
Agent 131711 has already debunked vitamin C.
I started adding vitamin c to water / fruit tea instead of sugar as I like the taste. I have noticed my gums bleed a lot less when brushing my teeth since I started doing that.
If not Vitamin C is enough - Probiotics - LAUTOSELLE will do the trick-- https://www.farmaciasdirect.eu/products/bromatech-lautoselle-20-sachets